Revised new - M&S planning application to replace Iceland..

[the-e-dealer]

You would have to go through all the planning applications for a period to work that out.

[derwentgrove]

The planning officer's report (on balance supporting the proposal) is now on the site:

http://planningonline.southwark.gov.uk/DocsOnline/Documents/373928_1.pdf

[first mate]

Having read this briefly it just seems like council planning have done some rather large u turns on previous refusals but without the developer really giving an inch. WIth this and the new cinema CPZ will be next, just wait and see. Certain councillors must be rubbing their hands with glee.

Note that there will be up to 6 deliveries a day, by huge juggernauts, along a residential street, pretty much from dawn til dusk, seven days a week. Given ED is a town centre, say planning, they really see no reason to refuse. What has changed in planning I wonder? Still no explanation as to why one of the huge bollards is pushed over....plenty of space say planning. Madness.

[Zebedee Tring]

What a shame. LL will probably now have some decent new shops and facilities rather than the endless expensive gift shops. This would be a total disaster.

[healey]

first mate Wrote:

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> Having read this briefly it just seems like

> council planning have done some rather large u

> turns on previous refusals but without the

> developer really giving an inch. WIth this and the

> new cinema CPZ will be next, just wait and see.

> Certain councillors must be rubbing their hands

> with glee.

>

> Note that there will be up to 6 deliveries a day,

> by huge juggernauts, along a residential street,

> pretty much from dawn til dusk, seven days a week.

> Given ED is a town centre, say planning, they

> really see no reason to refuse. What has changed

> in planning I wonder? Still no explanation as to

> why one of the huge bollards is pushed

> over....plenty of space say planning. Madness.

The use of the site isn't changing much, and the extension will make little difference. The Coop down the road manages deliveries pefectly well. Those in opposition don't really have much of a leg to stand on given the precedents.

In my opinion the car wash causes far more traffic disruption than occasional HGV deliveries for Iceland.

[first mate]

I wouldn't call 6 deliveries a day occasional, servicing snd safety are real issues with this applications. Objections that were formerly upheld on a number of occasions are being upheld no more. Why the change by Southwark one wonders?

[spider69]

first mate Wrote:

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> I wouldn't call 6 deliveries a day occasional,

> servicing snd safety are real issues with this

> applications. Objections that were formerly upheld

> on a number of occasions are being upheld no more.

> Why the change by Southwark one wonders?

Perhaps local Cllrs might like to comment?

[daveybigpotatoes]

I can't believe there will be six deliveries per day, every day. Sounds like scaremongering

[worldwiser]

Feel very sympathetic towards the residents of Chesterfield Grove. I would find deliveries before 8am on any weekday intolerable if I were living there. Why can deliveries not be banned to the side before, say, 9am and after 8pm, and a part-time loading area in front be created for these hours as per Co-op to reduce this impact?

[cl]

Exactly. Loading from Lordship Lane is an issue that I and others on chesterfield have raised already, and is apparently supported by James Barber. James, will you be pushing this during the upcoming planning meeting?

[KalamityKel]

I do hope James Barber continues his support in objection to the application as strongly as he did prior to local elections.

I'm very disappointed that this application, having being refused in the past, and showing no evidence to adapt or change any plans at all (all of which has been discussed soooo many times on this thread already!), is now being recommended to be granted. How did this come about?

What is the point of being given the opportunity to voice well grounded opinions just for planning, never mind the major applicant, to dismiss common concerns from a range of different residents as if such issues raised are (as I feel is being read as) insignificant. What, indeed is the point of planning at all?

[OAKIE95]

Here's a thought, maybe the majority of people in ED actually want an M&S compared to the same old people on here crying and moaning about everything and anything new that comes to ED.

[Louisa]

OAKIE95 it's not about people moaning. There are a number of points within the application which haven't been addressed by the applicant from the previous attempt. That's the issue here. I'm guessing you're not a resident of Chesterfield?

Louisa.

[Ron70]

Louisa Wrote:

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> OAKIE95 it's not about people moaning. There are a

> number of points within the application which

> haven't been addressed by the applicant from the

> previous attempt. That's the issue here. I'm

> guessing you're not a resident of Chesterfield?

>

> Louisa.

I don't get what the big issue is, admittedly I'm not familiar with all of the planning details, however, it's already a food outlet and will remain so if M&S take over. Surely Iceland has deliveries by lorry as would M&S? In fact if M&S were to be unpopular, surely they'd need less deliveries than the current (popular) Iceland?

Ron70

[Mr&MrsJ]

Coming into this very late but I lived on Chesterfield until 2002 - even then we used to have major issues with parking not to mention the Iceland HGV's that flaunted the restrictions on occasion and came hurtling down the road at 6.30am!! Thought about moving back a few years ago but then remembered the lorries & the parking ... feel for the residents now

[Louisa]

Ron70 Wrote:

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>

> I don't get what the big issue is, admittedly I'm

> not familiar with all of the planning details,

> however, it's already a food outlet and will

> remain so if M&S take over. Surely Iceland has

> deliveries by lorry as would M&S? In fact if M&S

> were to be unpopular, surely they'd need less

> deliveries than the current (popular) Iceland?

>

> Ron70

Ron I think one of many issues, is the number of deliveries the new M&S would want to have. The delivery times have been addressed to a degree on the new application but there hasn't been much movement on location. Why can goods not be delivered on LL rather than a narrow road like Chesterfield? I personally am in two minds about how much extra parking stress the new M&S will add to those already existing from the Iceland store, as a convenience outlet it is aimed primarily at commuters unlike a large supermarket. However, my concern would be that a similar style up market chain supermarket is not anywhere within close proximity to the area, and it could potentially pull in folk from the village and other affluent areas who are the ideal demographic that M&S would aim for - will they drive or walk?

Louisa.

[Peckhamrye]

M&S upmarket? I think the people of ED will love having it but M&S are everywhere now, at petrol stations, at railway stations - can't see the good people of the Village jumping in their 4X4s and racing to LL.

[Louisa]

Yes I agree M&S food outlets are everywhere these days, and it isn't necessarily 'up market', but it does have a middle class following, and it does charge more for it's goods on the whole. Are you honestly telling me you can't see wealthy village residents using their vehicles to pop down and pick up a few bits? And in larger numbers than they would for Iceland for example? No similar middle class marketed supermarket is within easy reach and convenient for these people, this will be.

Louisa.

[OAKIE95]

So the main issue that people are crying about is that potential 'wealthy folk' and the 'middle class' might come to lordship lane and use M&S? Close your curtains and sound the alarms the wealthy folk are coming. Can someone confirm that we are in 2014?

[Zebedee Tring]

The middle class might come to LL? But ED is a solidly working class area. How dare they!

[Louisa]

Where do you suggest these people park their cars OAKIE95? Any room outside your gaffe?

Louisa.

[KalamityKel]

*yawns*

Now now lets focus the issue is not the fact M&S are wanting to move in - who cares?

The problem is the planning application - mostly the expansion planned at the rear, delivery, extra stress on parking, facilities (access and refuse) for the proposed residential plans above the retail space etc.

Why the space cannot be used as it currently is (with a little bit of updating to the front) by M&S is the big question.

[Robert Poste's Child]

Without wishing to generalise, I think Louisa has a point. Though I don't use M&S foodhalls much, I know people who will and based on current habits they're quite likely to get into their car if it's more than 500 yards away, whereas my elderly neighbours, who've lived around here for decades, walk a lot further than that to Iceland for their weekly shop.

Not sure this is a plus or minus, but I think M&S food appeals mainly to single people - reasonably quality and no waste - or those who just want something in the course of their working day, so they won't be parking for long. Anyone who wants to do a family shop or bigger household stuff in the area would probably still head for Sainsbury's.

[Louisa]

I appreciate this thread has had a bit of a reboot and people who've not previously commented wish to get their two pennies' worth in, but why the need to turn away from the main issues at hand? M&S Simply Food will be unlike any other supermarket for a good few miles around. It is convenience based, easy access from the main road, and providing an upmarket chain option for local people. If we already had one in the village, or Peckham, Forest Hill etc etc I wouldn't raise the issue of parking. It's the fact we are surrounded by affluence and therefore this particular supermarket will attract people who want that option. This will probably put a strain on parking in the surrounding streets. Why has this not been addressed by this planning application?

Louisa.

[spider69]

Louisa Wrote:

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> I appreciate this thread has had a bit of a reboot

> and people who've not previously commented wish to

> get their two pennies' worth in, but why the need

> to turn away from the main issues at hand? M&S

> Simply Food will be unlike any other supermarket

> for a good few miles around. It is convenience

> based, easy access from the main road, and

> providing an upmarket chain option for local

> people. If we already had one in the village, or

> Peckham, Forest Hill etc etc I wouldn't raise the

> issue of parking. It's the fact we are surrounded

> by affluence and therefore this particular

> supermarket will attract people who want that

> option. This will probably put a strain on parking

> in the surrounding streets. Why has this not been

> addressed by this planning application?

>

> Louisa.

Perhaps local Cllrs might like to comment?