Celebrate the passing of Ms Thatcher

[Huguenot]

I know I oversimplify EP, but's a short hand way of illustrating that the British public frequently denies its own craven demands, literally lies to itself, in order to gain some sort of farcical moral high ground.

[El Pibe]

As a general concept it's spot on.

LadyD earlier claimed that shadowy corporate paymasters are behind the apparent inherent conservatism (with small c) of post Thatcher governments, when of course it's the electorate who are responsible for squeezing politics to a narrow centre, and wer so lacking inspiration for a solution to the crisis of neoliberalism, that they couldn't even pick a government to do anything about it.

Contrast that with the Italians who picked someone who explicitly said they weren't going to do anything about it, yay with that moral high ground peeps, down with Thatch (yaaaawn).

[numbers]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> Its a simple point, "dont speak ill of the dead"

> is a nonsense. Hitler was a complete @#$%&. There

> I've done it, I've spoken ill of the dead. I feel

> terrible.

Yes Mick Mac I have grasped that its a simple point. I have spoken ill of the dead like you. I don't feel terrible. But thats not quite what I meant when in my poorly explained previous post. (to be fair, no-one understood me when trying to explain it IRL so perhaps I'm talking bollocks)

what I'm trying to say is that all this "you mustn't speak ill of the dead" is being deliberately used by people who either wish to suppress criticism of Thatcher/Thatcherism or by those who are eager and delighted to boot the in no matter what 'the thought police' say. nah, I'm prob still not making sense. my head hurts.

[Vicanna]

I suppose the benefit we'll all take from Thatcher's death is that it'll strip any remaining relevance from dinosaurs linked to the Miners' Strike, who've just lost their last excuse to sit around feeling sorry for themselves. Everyone else who was advarsely affected by Thatcher's policies seems to have moved on, except, of course, the self-pitying losers around the abandoned collieries who still cling to past grievances in order to justify the moral and economic ditch they live in.

[the-e-dealer]

Full of the Milk of Human Kindness as usual. Are you related to Nik Ferrari?

[numbers]

StraferJack Wrote:

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> when we had the north sea oil money and

> privatisation in full swing?

>

> Not so many. I know, I'm as surprised as you!

>

> We did have a big recession at the start and at

> the end of her reign tho. So it wasn't all gravy

> and prudence

it was true that she did indeed squander the revenues from the North Sea oil & gas fields on the resulting 3 million unemployed (whether that figure was due to decimation of manufacturing base or not, I dunno).

I think its really interesting to now have a constructive debate about politics and I'm glad to see young and older people having discussions. Despite (in my view) the narrow-mindedness of those celebrating/protesting/whatever in Brixton, Glasgow, Bristol I suppose it helps to remember the old adage of "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to do so".

PS I concurred with what Huguenot said too. apart from last bit, like EP.

[Vicanna]

"Full of the Milk of Human Kindness as usual."

Says the immoral cur gleefully soliciting others to join the 'celebration' of Thatcher's passing.

[the-e-dealer]

No as I said I dont wish anyone dead.

[Chillaxed]

Agree with EP and in turn most of H's post.

This debate is really helping to put a lot of issues in context for me.

[Vicanna]

the-e-dealer Wrote:

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> No as I said I dont wish anyone dead.

Which is contradicted by your earlier post: "Rejoice, Rejoice The Grimm Reaper has been and done a good job."

What an inconsistent clown.

[edcam]

Vicanna Wrote:

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>> What an inconsistent clown.

Shouldn't you be out breaking into derelict buildings?

[steveo]

Christ, I'm beginning to warm to Huge and Vincanna

[the-e-dealer]

Twit thats a joke based on thatcher's Rejoice Rejoice at the end of the Falklands War. I have never been glad or wished

someone dead.

Clue's in the "Paraphrase" read entire posts for full effect!

[woodrot]

"Princess Diana, Queen of Hearts, meet Mrs Thatcher, Ex Prime minister. I think you two have a great deal in common, apart from being dead."

[Loz]

numbers Wrote:

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> Mick Mac Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

>> Its a simple point, "dont speak ill of the dead" is a nonsense. Hitler was a complete @#$%&.

>> There I've done it, I've spoken ill of the dead. I feel terrible.

>

> Yes Mick Mac I have grasped that its a simple point. I have spoken ill of the dead like you. I

> don't feel terrible. But thats not quite what I meant when in my poorly explained previous post.

> (to be fair, no-one understood me when trying to explain it IRL so perhaps I'm talking bollocks)

I think there is a difference between Hitler, Bin Laden etc. dying. Their deaths stopped bad things from happening. Somehow, the death of a little old lady with Alzheimers didn't really change the world.

> what I'm trying to say is that all this "you mustn't speak ill of the dead" is being deliberately

> used by people who either wish to suppress criticism of Thatcher/Thatcherism or by those who are eager

> and delighted to boot the in no matter what 'the thought police' say. nah, I'm prob still not making sense. my head hurts.

I don't think anyone is trying to suppress criticism of Thatcherism. But people aren't reaching for that sort of debate by doing things like trying to get 'Ding Dong The Witch is Dead' to the top of the charts, are they?

[El Pibe]

I think there's an element of death being the ultimate expression of retribution, a sense of 'I hate you, ha ha I'm alive and you're not' amongst many who felt genuine anger and were certainly well within their rights to do so (unlike, say the champagne quaffing hipster foetuses with their 'down with the bedroom tax' posters) regardless of the wider geopolitical macroeconomic factors behind their plight.

Of course this is something of an empty victory over an 87 year old who died of natural causes.

Personally I'd really like to see Blair get something scary and painful in the not-too-distant future.

Maybe he could put his (mouth where his) money where his mouth is and inhale some atomised Depleted Uranium, that would be far more satisfying than my future sextegenarian self raising a quiet glass of cava after he dies of old age in his four poster bed having bought Blenheim Palace on the proceeds of advising faceless corporations on how to exploit new opportunities in the middle east....

nnnnnghhh cool wet clowns.........

[the-e-dealer]

Nasty

[UncleBen]

I'll celebrate the death of Thatcherism not Thatcher who was an old woman.

[Louisa]

"The trouble with socialism, is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." - Margaret Thatcher

Louisa.

[Vicanna]

Not to mention other people's patience.

[StraferJack]

Not quite what she said - whatever her attributes, pithiness wasn't one of them - but it's close enough

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/thatcher.asp

[Voyageur]

Louisa Wrote:

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> "The trouble with socialism, is that sooner or

> later you run out of other people's money." -

> Margaret Thatcher

>

> Louisa.

Louisa! - the first sensible thing I have heard you say :)

[CARA49]

" oops wrpng again

[LadyDeliah]

Glenda Jackson nailed it:

Lest we forget.

[numbers]

Grace Dent nailed it: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/grace-dent-thatchers-children-we-may-be-but-these-death-parties-are-just-childish-8567288.html

Pretty much bang on. (Except omission about all parties supporting phased removal of milk and no other party re-instating it when they had the opportunity.)