Peckham-mania !

[lane lover]

http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/esmagazine/peckhamania-out-on-the-town-in-londons-newest-hotspot-8739833.html

[edhistory]

Obviously written by a jounalist.

[Clive Martin]

Count the errors.

John K

[Dopamine1979]

Nice article. I keep meaning to check out Frank's.

[david_carnell]

edhistory Wrote:

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> Obviously written by a jounalist.

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> Count the errors.

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Surely you've already done that John? Why not list them for our entertainment? Don't keep all the jollity to yourself.

[Earl Aelfheah]

It's a bit tight moving this to the lounge. Peckham and ED are virtually family.

[woodrot]

"Sculptor Douglas White, 36, another Peckham-based creative, can see a similar trajectory to Dalston?s a few years back. ?I mostly had studios in Hackney for the past ten years, and walking down Rye Lane definitely reminds me of Kingsland Road at that time. I love that vibrancy and gentle chaos.?

you patronising cunt

also, your name rhymes with shite

[woodrot]

se15 is dead to me now

[StraferJack]

People rhyming shite with white as an insult are on shaky foundations if they are claiming any sort of moral high ground

[KalamityKel]

*yawn*

[Earl Aelfheah]

If you called your dad he could stop it all.

[PeckhamRose]

Mickey Smith 'founded the Bussey Building'?!

[woodrot]

Peckhnam is entirely populated by White M/C creatives judging by that article. oh sorry, gangs of kids on bikes represent the non white , non m/c non creatives

Braaaaaaap

[Michael Palaeologus]

Went to KERB yesterday evening. I couldn't help but notice that the large crowd was remarkably unrepresentative of the local population. The majority of the black people to be seen there were the very friendly security staff (3 of them), otherwise white with a smattering of Asian folk.

This statement may rankle some people, BUT it was very, very noticeable.

[Louisa]

London is in a constant state of change. Demographics change. Places change. Peckham is no different- it started out as a poor rural community on the Surrey/London border, it became a respectable middle-class London suburb by the turn of the 20th century, then gradually a largely poor white working class inner city neighbourhood by the middle of that century, and as the decades have passed it has become a mixed ethnic minority majority community. It's now in a state of change once again as early signs of gentrification take hold and students/artists as well as predominantly white middle class families move in to buy up the relatively underpriced by London standards housing stock. That's London for you. Change is inevitable. Either embrace change or move somewhere else.

Louisa.

[edhistory]

> it started out as a poor rural community on the Surrey/London border

It might be worth pointing out that Peckham has never been near the Surrey border.

John K

[Louisa]

Ok good point. But for the sake of splitting hairs Peckham was historically a village in the county of Surrey before London expanded.

Louisa.

[PeckhamRose]

I noticed the same thing at the PeckMex or whatever it was, streetfood festival a couple of weekends ago. Not representative at all. Sad really. Similarly the Peckham Society (which is fabulous for the historical knowledge sharing of the history of Peckham) is not representative but that's understandable. If you were to take a hundred people walking down Rye Lane at any one time would they be representative of SE15? Not a clue mate.

[StraferJack]

If an event happens, and isn't populated by the local demographic, and people want to point that fact out, what exactly is the point being made?

The event is good/bad?

Should/shouldn't happen?

Does it matter? Shouldn't the event be judged on its own merits?

[edhistory]

I was walking along Rye Lane this morning. The mix of folk looked pretty representative to me. But what do I know?

I did wonder how many of the shopkeepers and their customers are members of Peckham Vision.

John K

[Michael Palaeologus]

Huh? I was talking about an event at the Bussey Building, not Rye Lane.

It matters because if the development of Peckham is to be supported by events such as this, the events should be representative of Peckham.

It was a good event that maybe could have been marketed better.

[Louisa]

I went to the Mazey Day Carnival event in Penzance some weeks ago. A cornish event, held in a Cornish town. I'd estimate that 2/3 of the people at least were not from Cornwall, they were holiday makers. But does this indicate anything about the event being a positive or negative thing for the area? I'd suggest not. It's still promoting the place, and it's bringing money and potentially investment into the area. How is this different to Peckham or anywhere else for that matter?

Louisa.

[Jeremy]

I dunno mike... its not an ideal situation, but lack of integration is not specific to this event. Or indeed Peckham. It's a complex subject.

[Annette Curtain]

Michael Palaeologus Wrote:

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> Huh? I was talking about an event at the Bussey

> Building, not Rye Lane.

> events should be representative of Peckham <

Expand please Michael

The KERB event is a traveling food circus, open to all. You either know about it or you don't. But bear in mind it's only the second time it's been there, so many who were there already knew of the event in other areas, me included.

Last time I went there was an African church kicking out, the congregation really didn't seem to know quite what had hit the space as they left church.

In all I thought that was fairly representative of the area. Lots of events running in parallel & in parallel universes, as they do.

Generally tho, I don't do face counts at events.

[edhistory]

> Huh? I was talking about an event at the Bussey Building, not Rye Lane.

Since you posted a couple of people broadened the discussion.

I have difficulty recognising Louisa's history of Peckham. It's not the Peckham I knew, it's not the Peckham of reminiscences published in the Peckham Society News, it's not the Peckham of the history books. It's almost as if Lousia did shopping along Rye Lane and never ventured into the side streets.

John K

[Louisa]

edhistory Wrote:

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> > Huh? I was talking about an event at the Bussey

> Building, not Rye Lane.

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> Since you posted a couple of people broadened the

> discussion.

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> I have difficulty recognising Louisa's history of

> Peckham. It's not the Peckham I knew, it's not the

> Peckham of reminiscences published in the Peckham

> Society News, it's not the Peckham of the history

> books. It's almost as if Lousia did shopping along

> Rye Lane and never ventured into the side streets.

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> John K

What Peckham do you recall then which is so different? As has been discussed, people in London often live in the same place but are basically in a parallel universe. We all live different lives depending on any number of factors. The Peckham I remember as a child was largely white and working class. There were pockets of wealth along grove park towards Camberwell and out towards Dulwich proper, but overall it was a largely poor area. It took the main shopping street a long time to catch up with demographic change. The area still had an M&S and Sainsburys until the late 80s, and from a socio-economic point of view they probably should have closed down 20 years earlier. The departure of major department stores on Rye Lane from a retail point of view didnt always match the fortunes of the surrounding streets and areas, and the emergence of ED as a gentrified neighbour is a good example of this.

Louisa.