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NatashaD Wrote:

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> Gay bars are about as inclusive as white only or

> black only bars.


I am not sure that that is entirely true - I have had many a good night in Bar Coda and Fire in Vauxhall with my gay friends and not been made to feel like I'm not welcome by anyone. A much better night out than having drunk, sweaty heteros trying to dive in for an unwanted snog like in a lot of straight clubs IMHO.


>Plus I don't want to be looking at men with bulging biceps, extremely tight T-shirts, shaven heads, not to mention the mincing walk, in my neck of the woods.


And this is a horrendous stereotype. None of my aforementioned gay friends look anything like this. They are well dressed, with hair, normal walks and are exceedingly beautiful.

"I have never, to my knowledge, passed a "stereotypical straight bar with men outside in groups swearing and shouting at each other and girls as they pass" in East Dulwich. Perhaps I dont get out enough."


..or don't walk past the Bishop after a certain hour.

NatashaD are you having a laugh?


Your prejudiced, ignorant post kind of proves the point that we do need gay-only bars! Well done for that.


Substitute "gay men" in your post for any other minority (e.g. "black men") and you wouldn't dare put it on this forum. A point I have made before on here.


Obviously you don't actually know any gay people (apart from perhaps Mr Humpfries off Are You Being Served?). The weird stereotype you describe is totally outdated and ludicrous.


Has it ever occurred to you that many of the "normal" men you meet in everyday life could well be gay? But you assume they're not because they don't mince about pumping iron in tight t-shirts. How ignorant of you.

Keef Wrote:

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> However I just want to be in a world where there

> is no need for that, but I guess I'm living in a

> dreamworld if I think all colours, creeds,

> sexualities will all get on and have a drink

> together.


The idea that all people are ?the same? regardless of sexuality, culture, race or whatever is one of the biggest loads of liberal bullshit propagated by fuckwitted idealists over the last 50 years.


There are vast differences between people in this world. It just shouldn?t really matter that much.


I don?t see any point in pretending everyone is the same. I just don't think the differences are such a big deal. Perhaps when we all accept that we can have that drink.

Oh and Natasha if men of any sexual orientation want to mince about (whatever that actually means) and wear tight t-shirts why should it offend you? They aren?t harming anyone.


I?ve never minced myself but if it pisses bigots off so much I may just give it a go. Or would that be discriminating against bigots? :-S

I have no problem with gay guys.


My hairdresser and exercise teacher are both gay - as camp as can be and I adore them. Much of what I said above was tongue in cheek, and not meant to be taken too seriously. Apologies if it didn't come across in that way. In fact, if ED had more of a 'gay' influence it would really tart the place up for the better. I am stereotyping again (but there is often truth in stereotyping) but many gay guys have utterly impeccable taste - and that is just what ED needs.


I still don't agree with there being a gay bay as such. I think that bars should be for everyone.


Sonners " A much better night out than having drunk, sweaty heteros trying to dive in for an unwanted snog like in a lot of straight clubs IMHO." And you accuse me of stereotyping?????

I don't think it's a matter of drunk/sweaty gay men or drunk/sweaty straight men. It's just men.


Personally I think every straight man should be sent to a gay club as a matter of course, so they can see what men - ie themselves - are like. So they can realise what women have to put-up with and adjust their behaviour accordingly.


Sorry, lads. But it's true.

NatashaD Wrote:

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> Sonners " A much better night out than having

> drunk, sweaty heteros trying to dive in for an

> unwanted snog like in a lot of straight clubs

> IMHO." And you accuse me of stereotyping?????


I was quoting from experience - is it stereotyping when it is true?

*Bob* what exactly do women have to put up with in terms of gay men? Gay men are usually cleaner, a hell of a lot more fanciable and have interesting and insightful conversation. I think straight guys should take a lot from gay guys, but not in a negative sense, but more to do with the way they treat women, as opposed to going to a gay bar to see how bad men per se happen to be. Good grief i'd happily not have sex and be stuck with a gay man for life than some nympho freak of a straight guy who doesnt take care of his appearance and treats me like crap (I am not stereotyping here btw, in my experience of gay guys they are just a hell of a lot more interesting than straight ones).


Louisa.

It is true, gay men are better looking, more insightful and open minded, have better fashion sense etc. but straight men are straight. That?s why we get da ladies.


Oh yeah.


Booyah!


*Flicks collar up and get a bit of a swagger on*

*Rolls up sleeves and flexes ?the guns?*

It's not really a case of positive or negative. That's not the point.


Every woman on the planet will suffered her fair share of (in varying amounts) overly direct, cheesy, obvious, predatory and sometimes unwanted advances from men who feel they're being sophisticated, smooth and the very embodiment of charm.


If you're a straight man in a gay club, you get to feel what this feels like for yourself. Straight men should be forced to attend gays clubs so they can learn how rubbish they are. Who knows, it might even help them with the ladies.

I disagree *Bob*, I think you are judging poor gay guys alongside straight guys with a hint of jealousy in that ladies feel more at ease and comfortable around them and in general do not see them as idiots, compared to the cheesy, dull and often offensive approach from a huge majority of straight men who should be taught how to socialise with their brains as opposed to their penis'.


Louisa.

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