Logs made from gold bars

[Miss P]

I went for a long walk round Dulwich Park & East Dulwich as I am a huge fan of snow. I came home via Lordship Lane & saw that Franklins were selling bags of logs. I thought I'd check out how much they were. ?11!!!! For a bag of logs the same size that is sold at the Texaco for around a fiver. I thought I'd misheard her - 11 quid for a bag of logs & ?4.50 for kindling - an absolute rip off. So I went straight to the DIY shop and bought coal, kindling & firelighters from them.

[HonaloochieB]

I know, they must have thought you had money to burn.

[Mikecg]

Welcome to the land of the credit crunch instigators society. AKA ILLUMINATI Minions Brigade.....LOL!

Chequered Flooring with Setsquares, Compus, and Dorian Pillars.

Beware if you visit somebodys house and the decor looks this way.

Shhhh, there's one across the hall from me.

[Miss P]

Thank you HonaloochieB, that made me smile!

[macroban]

Miss P

You misunderstood the pricing structure. Which is:

?5.50 for a bag of logs

?2.25 for kindling

?7.75 for the shopping experience

[sidll]

I don't know what you have against Franklins but there is a pretty clear sign saying logs ?5.50 a bag which is pretty average fro London

[SCSB79]

sidll Wrote:

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> I don't know what you have against Franklins but

> there is a pretty clear sign saying logs ?5.50 a

> bag which is pretty average fro London

That would make sense... ?11 for TWO bags perhaps? Maybe the OP shouldn't be so hasty to bash a local business???

[Miss P]

I asked the lady who was working in the shop. I said "How much are the logs?" She said, "?11 a bag." I honestly have nothing against Franklins - I buy fresh veg from there regularly. Maybe she was confused or meant ?11 for two bags, but that's not what she told me. ?5.50 sounds average for ED.

[bigbadwolf]

Just go to Sydenham woods and hack a few trees down, I've been getting my christmas trees on and off from there for the past 10 years. Makes perfect sense.

[pommie]

We have a few logs in our back garden as we cut a tree down....you could have had them for nothing although now its been snowing they are probably too wet.

[woofmarkthedog]

Texaco sell soft wood logs......?4.00 ish....burn quicker

Franklins sell Kentish hardwood logs....? 5.50.......burn lots longer, supports rural coppicing practices..

Home base sell hardwood logs...?5.68.........well you figure it out

Good luck to Franklins........if like that kinda gaff....

Simple question.....is LSL getting better...or worse..........

Woof

[Miss P]

I will return to Franklins and make myself clearer rather than walking out speechless....

Thank you Pommie for the offer, most neighbourly of you. I have plenty to keep me going for the time being, but thank you anyway.

[dc]

Not wishing to pour cold water on Pommie's kind offer to Miss P but we do live in a smokeless zone - introduced to prevent pollution and at its worst, smogs, I believe. I don't think the Clean Air Act has been revoked.

That means you might be OK burning dry, seasoned wood but burning just-cut, wet wood is an absolute no no and some would say anti-social as well as illegal.

Just found this - no idea if the facts stated are correct: Approved wood burning stoves

[zephyr]

That means I cannot burn that lovely smelling house coal. It is the smell of a winters evening!

[SaveShambo]

Personally I burn both logs and coal in my stove - I appreciate that we are supposed to be in a smokeless zone but it saves me using anything like as much central heating (which obviously runs on fossil fuels) because of it's much greater heat efficiency and it's not as though London buses & lorries have converted to LPG which would make a much bigger difference to air quality.

[*Bob*]

Approved wood stoves are approved for smokeless zones. That's where the word 'approved' comes in.

Not that I'm about to anonymously call Crimestoppers because I can see a puff of illegal smoke exiting someone's chimney.

[pommie]

dc

Thats why i said they are too wet for people to burn. I wouldnt expect people to use them now.

[SteveT]

Rob Wilson, a well known forum gardener, sells 3 bags for a tenner.

[louisiana]

dc Wrote:

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> Not wishing to pour cold water on Pommie's kind

> offer to Miss P but we do live in a smokeless zone

> - introduced to prevent pollution and at its

> worst, smogs, I believe. I don't think the Clean

> Air Act has been revoked.

Yes we do. And today there are many multi-fuel stoves that comply with these laws (i.e. you can use them in smokeless zones to burn wood, as the emissions fall below the limits).

Examples of approved models include the Owl, Badger and Squirrel models from Morso, for example. Which are also fab stoves. But installing a stove also usually means lining the chimney (after sweeping it) for both efficiency and safety reasons.

Stoves burn wood are *much* more efficiently than open fires: you'll get 4x the heat in the room for the same amount of fuel.

Of course, unseasoned wood should never be put on a fire. All horrible fumes and smoke and no heat.

A good source of cheap logs from sustainable sources is Logs for London. They deliver to south London. (Maybe split a 3/4 ton load with a neighbour?)

[stereforth]

The going rate for a 10Kg bag of smokeless fuel is usually ?4.99. Logs about the same. This works out at ?499 a tonne. This seems an incredible price. Even trying to buy in bulk on-line gives little or no discount unless you place a very large order. I run a local pub and at this time of tear it is necessary to have open fires. So if you are lucky enough to sip your pint in front of a roaring fire in your local, spare a thought for the poor landlord paying ?10-?20 a day for fuel per fire.

If only some local forester would give me some unwanted logs from nearby woodland.

Regardless of cost, an open fire is a welcoming sight to my customers. I just hate the prospect of having to put the prices up to pay for this, what with the brewers increases in the pipeline: Stella 7%, Guinness 5.4%, Scottish & Newcastle 5.7%(Fosters, John Smiths, Strongbow). Over the last year duty on beer has gone up 17.8%. If I passed on all the recent increases I would have to charge more than you pay in Lordship Lane for your pint. I could get away with a 20-30p increase for private functions but my regulars would not be happy. Such an increase would still be cheaper than LL. To me the pub is one of our greatest cultural traditions and it saddens me seeing them close forever, even those I regard as competitors.

So if you want a pint for ?2.70 seek out those back street places away from the noise and heartlessness of bars such as (name deleted for legal reasons) and get some value in your glass.(And stay warm by the fire).

[louisiana]

Logs for London charges 120 quid for 3/4 of a ton. They deliver across south London.

[*Bob*]

louisiana Wrote:

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> Logs for London charges 120 quid for 3/4 of a ton.

> They deliver across south London.

Heavy load / cheap price = not particularly well seasoned firewood though, unfortunately.

[hislordship]

Actually, I'm removing this post - it was silly and in bad taste.

[Miss P]

Thank you for the Logs for London info, Louisiana, most useful. Just to clarify, I do have an approved wood burner, and as I'm at home during the day at the moment, it's got to make sense to light a fire & keep one room warm as opposed to putting the heating on for the whole house. I do also buy smoke free coal, and I let wood dry out before trying to burn it in order to keep the smoke down as much as possible.

[Huguenot]

"Stella 7%, Guinness 5.4%, Scottish & Newcastle 5.7%(Fosters, John Smiths, Strongbow)."

How outrageous is that? It's absolutely fugging extraordinary!