Weller

[MrBen]

What's the general consensus?

Modfather icon now rightly heading for British music statesman accolades?

Or regular purveyor of album sludge rock to a crowd of late forty somethings who refer to him simply as "Weller" down the pub. Not to mention the serial Jools Holland appearances.

[Robert Poste's Child]

Are late-fortysomethings allowed to respond too?

[Parkdrive]

Like many artists deemed to be icons, Paul Weller divides opinion. Personally I can take or leave him. Some of his early stuff is ok and nothing more, but in the last 15 years or so most of it is meh. Much prefer stuff with the Jam

[miga]

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[steveo]

Is there a smugger man on the planet than 'Jools' Holland?

[MrBen]

Robert Poste's Child Wrote:

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> Are late-fortysomethings allowed to respond too?

They are. And the perspectives of 60-something baby boomers also welcome.

[Jah Lush]

I wouldn't say I was a fan. I have a few of his records. The Jam were very much of their time but he wrote some 'classic' material with them at a very young age. I didn't like the Style Council at all and his solo stuff is hit and miss. I can take him or leave him but you've got to admire his longevity in the music business. If he's getting accolades and awards now it's probably because he's been around so long.

Though I've never been over keen on his singing voice. He's a fine musician without being spectacular or show offy and a good songwriter who's learnt his craft over the 40 years he's been working. He's written some great songs and some not so good too. His shows still sell out and he still shifts plenty of units. I suppose you could say he's a bit of a geezer but saying he's a icon is a bit of a stretch and I hate all that Modfather bollocks.

[Jah Lush]

steveo Wrote:

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> Is there a smugger man on the planet than 'Jools'

> Holland?

Ricky Gervais.

[BrandNewGuy]

Solo - some good songs, but mostly meh.

Style Council ? the consensus is they were crap. And I agree with the consensus.

The Jam ? started off brilliant, went off a bit towards the end. Saw this the other day on Sky Arts and remembered how great The Jam were live:

 

[Jeremy]

I love The Jam. Especially pre-1980, but even towards the end there was good stuff too. Solo stuff is dull as dishwater, and he looks stupid with his perma-tan and that haircut.

[jctg]

steveo Wrote:

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> Is there a smugger man on the planet than 'Jools'

> Holland?

Simon Cowell

Jeremy Clarkson

Yanis Varoufakis

[Parkdrive]

jctg Wrote:

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> 'Jools'

> > Holland?

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> Simon Cowell

> Jeremy Clarkson

> Yanis Varoufakis

Piers Morgan

[Robert Poste's Child]

Parkdrive Wrote:

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> jctg Wrote:

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> > Simon Cowell

> > Jeremy Clarkson

> > Yanis Varoufakis

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> Piers Morgan

David Cameron

Tony Blair

[steveo]

Simon Cowell - He knows he's a twat

Jeremy Clarkson - Smuggish

Yanis Varoufakis - poisoned chalice

Piers Morgan - arsehole

Ricky Gervais - smug and insecure

David Cameron - smug and fat

Tony Blair - paranoid, scared, insane

[jctg]

Jos? Mourinho?

Michael Gove?

James Corden?

[????]

The Jam were massive for teenagers in the punk/post punk period although slighty sneered at by the older in the punk generation, personally, I liked them but not as much as some people who where (and some still are, fanatics); I have several mates who say that the Jam are the best band ever!

P{ost the Jam, all pretty shite - his blue eyed soul style council stuff utter shite; and his 'ive discovered Neal Young' rockier stuff OKish, nut overared.

As a person, apparently a humourless arseh*le and it comes over in interviews too.

But, the Jam stuff deserves recognition, they were massive (UK only 1978-81(?))

[steveo]

OK Corden wins

[Robert Poste's Child]

Hold on - what about George Osborne? Or Stephen Fry? Or Russell Brand?

[KidKruger]

Jam were ace, I missed them as I grew up as I was too in to punk and new wave - but when I got into them retrospectively, after they'd split I thought they were red-hot. Was gutted to have not been 'on it' at the time.

Fantastic songs, well delivered, great poetry IMO.

Style Council - maybe one or two songs.

Solo - not bovered.

[david_carnell]

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> The Jam were massive for teenagers in the

> punk/post punk period although slighty sneered at

> by the older in the punk generation, personally, I

> liked them but not as much as some people who

> where (and some still are, fanatics); I have

> several mates who say that the Jam are the best

> band ever!

>

> P{ost the Jam, all pretty shite - his blue eyed

> soul style council stuff utter shite; and his 'ive

> discovered Neal Young' rockier stuff OKish, nut

> overared.

>

> As a person, apparently a humourless arseh*le and

> it comes over in interviews too.

>

> But, the Jam stuff deserves recognition, they were

> massive (UK only 1978-81(?))

Met him once in an art gallery. Humourless arsehole sums him up nicely.

Quite like the Jam. Not so keen on SC. Quite like the Wild Wood solo album.

[StraferJack]

Was never a fan of the Jam, despite many mates at the time being well into them

Unusually, but not uniquely, I quite like a lot of the Style Council stuff

Solo ? Liked the Uh Huh Oh Yeah single early on and then loathed pretty much everything bar his most recent albums which are at least interesting

Never liked him in interviews ? he appears to have softened ever so slightly of late and realised how uptight he has always been. But it?s only marginal

As for all the other men being named as self-satisifed on the thread:

a) Again?

b) Why do it in this thread?

c) People you don?t like not same as self-satisfied and smug ? I would go farther and say many of those named are riddled with lack of security hence the need for public approval

[Earl Aelfheah]

I saw him on Sunday.

[El Pibe]

Definitely my favourite Eastenders dog.

[MrBen]

Smug was applied to Jools not PW. I happen to like the way the Mod God carries himself. He might be surly but he doesn't suffer fools nor is he in rampant ego territory...he's just a bit frosty.

It's cool to say you like the Jam. Saying you like Style Council is not cool. But part of the reason for starting this thread was pre-Dulwich Hamlet FC reappraisal. Some of the SC stuff is great and has aged really well.

[BrandNewGuy]

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> As a person, apparently a humourless arseh*le and

> it comes over in interviews too.

My other half had some music biz dealings with him and his father back in the 80s. The whole family were humourless arseh*les apparently.