The invisible zebra crossing!

[bermygirl]

Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that people increasingly seem to think that pedestrians have the right of way at the junction of East dulwich grove and lordship lane!!?? People seem to think they can just meander across the road whenever they wish and traffic should stop for them! Sometimes I really feel like running them down! Lol. #roadrageinED

[bawdy-nan]

erm, because there is one and they do? https://goo.gl/maps/OIIqD

[bermygirl]

Well I must be blind because I don't see any zebra crossing there.

[Laur]

Scary if you don't see the zebra crossings that are there surrounding the roundabout?

bermygirl Wrote:

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> Well I must be blind because I don't see any zebra

> crossing there.

[bermygirl]

I am not talking about that junction. I am talking about the junction that has Oliver bonas on one side and a green corner shop on the other with the bishop directly across the road. Perhaps I have the wrong road name. Oh yes I do. It's the junction of East dulwich grove and lordship lane.

[Dopamine1979]

I know what you mean bermygirl. I generally go out of my way to avoid crossing there as a pedestrian.

[bermygirl]

I am just having a random moan dopamine. :) I don't mind letting someone walk across sometimes, but it's annoying when people just walk across with no regard to who might be turning off of it onto East dulwich grove. I have even had pedestrians give me a dirty look for not stopping. It's quite amusing.

[bawdy-nan]

but if they're already on the road I think you are supposed not to run them down bermygirl ...

(from the Highway code: turning at road junctions; give way to pedestrians who are already crossing the road into which you are turning)

It's a nightmare junction for everyone and there is someone who posts on her who was quite seriously injured.

[Laur]

Oh that one Bermygirl, where the cyclist accident was - East Dulwich Grove junction.

[bermygirl]

Yeah bawdy man. I hear you. What I am saying is that when I am 5 feet from the actual junction and a pedestrian who I know has seen me, just decides to cross the road anyway. They know they won't make it across before the car is upon them, but they walk anyway. It's ANNOYING! and the bottom line is that if I took my eyes off the road for a minute and someone got hit, I would not be at fault. Because pedestrians have just as much of a duty to take care and wait until it's clear for them to cross, and they just don't.

[henryb]

bermygirl Wrote:

> if I took my eyes off the road for a

> minute and someone got hit, I would not be at

> fault.

In that situation you would be at fault - even more so if didn't have your eyes on the road.

Pedestrians have right way at junctions if they have started to cross.

https://www.gov.uk/using-the-road-159-to-203/road-junctions-170-to-183

[LD929]

That junction really needs AT LEAST a zebra crossing but would be better off with a traffic light. People drive way too fast down east dulwich grove, and people turning onto east dulwich grove from LL often do so quite hastily without regard to foot traffic.

Bermygirl, the problem is there are a lot of people walking up and down LL and not any effective means to cross what is a busy junction. Just as cars don't want to be left standing neither do pedestrians. Not a good situation for anyone really.

[James Barber]

Doesn't the Highway code have something about pedestrians having prioprity when behicels turn from a main road to msaller road.

eitherway I've asked for an onsite meting with officers to review how we can make that junction safer.

[Gloves1980]

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[Asset]

Yes, pedestrians do have right of way in that situation - so bermygirl, chill your boots, slow down and be prepared to give way.

[Lowlander]

Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that people increasingly seem to think that cars have the right of way at the junction of East dulwich grove and lordship lane!!?? People seem to think they can just drive through road whenever they wish and people should stop for them! Sometimes I really feel like posting on a forum! Lol. #pavementrageinED

[grabot]

"Doesn't the Highway code have something about pedestrians having prioprity when behicels turn from a main road to msaller road. "

No.

[Lowlander]

grabot Wrote:

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> "Doesn't the Highway code have something about

> pedestrians having prioprity when behicels turn

> from a main road to msaller road. "

>

> No.

Err, read this https://www.gov.uk/using-the-road-159-to-203/road-junctions-170-to-183

"watch out for pedestrians crossing a road into which you are turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way"

[Gloves1980]

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[grabot]

"If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way"

Emphasis on "if they have started to cross". Whether the road is main or smaller is neither here nor there.

[Lowlander]

grabot Wrote:

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> "If they have started to cross they have priority,

> so give way"

>

> Emphasis on "if they have started to cross".

> Whether the road is main or smaller is neither

> here nor there.

It was James who raised that not me. The point is, even if you're hurtling towards the junction at 60 and a pedestrian steps out, they have priority. The OP is right in a sense, junctions are invisible zebra crossings.

[davidk]

There's a very simple solution to this problem.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ihlnrz-8rxU/U_d2P1nfjCI/AAAAAAAACLc/hBqkl3oAlcg/s1600/Bromell's%2BRoad.jpg

[grabot]

Lowlander Wrote:

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> grabot Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > "If they have started to cross they have

> priority,

> > so give way"

> >

> > Emphasis on "if they have started to cross".

> > Whether the road is main or smaller is neither

> > here nor there.

>

> It was James who raised that not me. The point

> is, even if you're hurtling towards the junction

> at 60 and a pedestrian steps out, they have

> priority. The OP is right in a sense, junctions

> are invisible zebra crossings.

No they do not. The pedestrian is a dangerous fool in that situation. The pedestrian should not step out unless it is safe to do so. Jumping out in front of cars is dangerous for all concerned and any attempt to perpetuate the idea that it automatically grants priority is vicariously dangerous.

[clockworkorange]

bermygirl Wrote:

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It's ANNOYING! and the bottom

> line is that if I took my eyes off the road for a

> minute and someone got hit, I would not be at

> fault. Because pedestrians have just as much of a

> duty to take care and wait until it's clear for

> them to cross, and they just don't.

You're hilarious.

[worldwiser]

James, you first stated you had requested a site meeting about this on January 2nd following an appalling accident.

5 months on, are you saying you're still waiting to have this meeting?? Please do update us.