Shocking Sight (boys stabbing a wheelie bin) (Lounged)

[ontheedge]

and bully for you glad to make you feel so proud. If in future you feel scared just don't cry wolf

[HAL9000]

Posted by: ontheedge July 07, 10:17PM

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> A friendly word and caution I think at this point

> could be seen as adults taking responsibility.

Posted by: ontheedge July 16, 03:05AM

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> If in future you feel scared just don't cry wolf

I thought you'd be satisfied with the outcome - what is your point?

[mazza7103]

i am surprised that quite a few of you are happy with anyone being in a public place with a knife. i'm certainly not middle class or too old to forget what i was like as a child but i can confirm i never felt it appropriate to carry a knife. why would anyone do that?

it wasnt that long ago there were youths on LL fighting and someone got stabbed. the law is there to protect us

[ontheedge]

satisfied with what outcome that you'd made your 100 thread or that after 99 threads you'd found out they were just local kids having some fun. What was your point all along

[HAL9000]

mazza7103 Wrote:

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> i am surprised that quite a few of you are happy

> with anyone being in a public place with a knife.

I don't think anyone was "happy" about it. Although that isn't exactly what happened in this case.

> Why would anyone do that?

Knife-crime is merely a symptom of a fcuked up society. A society that we have created.

> The law is there to protect us

The law is there because today's citizens cannot trust themselves to behave in a civilised manner and are too stupid to realise that giving up their liberties to a civil militia in lieu of taking responsibility can only end in a police state.

[macroban]

> civil militia

Is this the same as Galleano's "people's militia"?

[HAL9000]

macroban Wrote:

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> > civil militia

>

> Is this the same as Galleano's "people's militia"?

I'm using the term to mean an organ of the state such as the UK's Police forces, not a popular revolutionary movement such as, for example, the Cuban Movimiento de Tropas Teritoriales, which was a true "people's militia".

[Huguenot]

HAL9000, you've made me sad.

Your observations speak of a cynical abdication of responsibility for our erstwhile society.

'Tis not so much a "fcuked up society", so much as one that kindly folk in their forties have rejected in favour of self-centred navel gazing.

Because I feel poetic (and having exceeded myself in snooting at poetry on another thread), I offer...

Do not go gentle into that good night,

Old age should burn and rave at close of day;

Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,

Because their words had forked no lightning they

Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright

Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,

Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,

And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,

Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight

Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,

Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,

Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.

Do not go gentle into that good night.

Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

See, I have a heart! No Tin Man I.

[HAL9000]

The words of Dylan Thomas (supplimented by Nick Chopper) are quite apt.

Anthem for Doomed Youth

Willfred Owen (September - October, 1917)

What passing-bells for these who die as cattle?

Only the monstrous anger of the guns.

Only the stuttering rifles' rapid rattle

Can patter out their hasty orisons.

No mockeries now for them; no prayers nor bells;

Nor any voice of mourning save the choirs, ?

The shrill, demented choirs of wailing shells;

And bugles calling for them from sad shires.

What candles may be held to speed them all?

Not in the hands of boys but in their eyes

Shall shine the holy glimmers of goodbyes.

The pallor of girls' brows shall be their pall;

Their flowers the tenderness of patient minds,

And each slow dusk a drawing-down of blinds.

Time for bed said Zebedee.

[Moos]

And this one for HAL9000 and his contributions to this thread

Cannon to right of him,

Cannon to left of him,

Cannon in front of him

Volley'd & thunder'd;

Storm'd at with shot and shell...

[HAL9000]

...

Boldly he rode and well,

Into the jaws of Death,

Into the mouth of Hal

Rode the nine thousand.

Sorry, couldn't resist :)

[Moos]

Very elegant, Hal!

[Ladymuck]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> How about if they were dressed as clowns?

Excuse my ignorance...but what IS this manifest fetish with CLOWNS?

[Ladymuck]

HAL9000 Wrote:

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I don't think I'd be so quick

> to share a similar experience with the forum

> again.

That's a shame...the beauty of this Forum is that posters are virtually anonymous. This encourages the "no holding back" of HONEST opinions...which is GREAT...the only other time this tends to happen is when people are pissed out of their minds! So you really shouldn't feel so bad about this "experience". Healthy debate with honest opinions you encouraged. It was great (though Domitianus can rant on a bit at times ;-)). In any event, I find your posts interesting ..you also come across as thoughtful and helpful (in my extremely humble opinion).

Note to Admin: can you officially close this thread now please!B)

[HAL9000]

Ladymuck Wrote:

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> HAL9000 Wrote:

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> > I don't think I'd be so quick to share a similar

> > experience with the forum again.

> That's a shame...

The reason I said that was because I was concerned that some busybody would report the thread to the police and I'd find them on my doorstep demanding a statement - or worse.

> ...posters are virtually anonymous

The police can identify virtually any poster's location within minutes via their IP address. This forum automatically logs every poster's IP address.

Naturally, I agree with everything else you said :) Thank you for the kind words - I'm blushing.

[lenk]

HAL9000 Wrote:

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> The police can identify virtually any poster's

> location within minutes via their IP address. This

> forum automatically logs every poster's IP

> address.

>

I'm pretty sure anyone who was going to do anything particularly threatening / dubious would use a proxy / IP masking / a .mil server etc etc

- John Manykids of Tweeville lane, ED probably isn't that kind of guy though.

[Ladymuck]

HAL9000 Wrote:

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This

> forum automatically logs every poster's IP

> address.

How on earth do you KNOW this? Are YOU a member of the Forum Police? Or of THE Police?

[Administrator]

It's a legal requirement to log internet traffic and the Terms of Use for this site states "All posts to this forum have their IP logged which means that, in extreme cases, the person who posted a message can be traced. "

Please also note it is only the original poster who can request that their thread/discussion is closed/locked.

[lenk]

Of course, say you work for Megacorp PLC, home of 2000 workers in one big building, you will all share the same IP address. Needle / haystack

[Administrator]

Time to move this to the Lounge

[Ladymuck]

Administrator Wrote:

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> Please also note it is only the original poster

> who can request that their thread/discussion is

> closed/locked.

My comment was meant to be "in jest" - clearly I failed miserably there!

[Ladymuck]

Administrator Wrote:

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> Time to move this to the Lounge

'twas only a matter of time!

[bigbadwolf]

At last, now I can have my say.

HAL9000.

Whatever they were doing, next time you see someone or a group of people brandishing an offensive weapon/s and vandalising wheelie bins or street furniture call the Police immediately and notify them of the offenders whereabouts instead of telling a load of people who's adresses you don't know on an internet forum.

It's a bit like saying;

"I've just seen some bloke holding a gun to someones head, what should I do?"

[HAL9000]

It never occurred to me that they were doing anything illegal: I wasn't aware of the new knife laws. I was expecting the post to precipitate an interesting discussion about the moral decline of our society blah blah blah. Not a right wing backlash. We live and learn.

[Huguenot]

Right wing backlash?

What utter bollix

As Pēteris Stučka would have you know, the socialists believed in "the creation of popular, informal tribunals to administer revolutionary justice"

In other words the left wing reaction would be pitchforks and torches, and they'd have hung the bastards out for their pelt to tan in the wind.

To spot the pinkos as appeasers and the right-wing as law and order is simply delusional.

If you reckon you're a leftie you'd have descended on the perps like the wrath of heaven and had them ploughing for pebbles for thirty years in Ekibastuz. I bet you can't even spell Solzhenitsyn.