Yet Another Crash on Barry Road

[Ants]

Brendan Wrote:

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> What that intersection could use is one of these.

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> http://www.freefoto.com/images/9906/09/9906_09_31-

> --4-way-stop-sign_web.jpg?&amp%3Bk=4+way+stop+sign

You're bang on the money Brendan. Being forced to make a complete stop would make a huge difference.

[helena handbasket]

A four-way stop system works much like a roundabout (right of way) except that you HAVE to stop. In Canada I've had a pretty good fine for coming to only a rolling stop rather than a full stop. They're taken quite seriously and the fines are severe for not stopping. A fine adds points to your driver's license, which makes renewal very expensive and car insurance can become incredibly expensive. I think most people realize that it's just too expensive to be a terrible driver there. It would be perfect for that spot.

[ianr]

espelli Wrote:

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> There is a yellow "Traffic Incident" board there now

What's the date of the incident it refers to?

[LibraCarr]

Hi,

All emergency vehicles have a wider axle than that of the normal car, thus humps will not affect ambulances or fire engines (except bog standard police cars). Local councils are reluctant to install humps unless there have been a noticeable increase in accidents as they can be sued for causing damage to the car.

I guess the problem is with the driver of private car's.

It is quite simple.... Take it easy, exit side roads with due care, wait at the pedestrian crossing until the lights give you the authority to move (both for driver's and pedestrians) and when you are at traffic lights or crossings stop closer to the pavement so that the Lycra Boy's do not undertake you and cause problems for other road user's.

I think that the more signs or other forms of slowing traffic down distract driver's and has the opposite effect.

Oh well, gotta go now as this thread is boring me.

Kind regards,

Libra Carr.

[hoser]

This might work even better...

http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq298/ffrr999/stop.jpg

[espelli]

I didn't see the exact date (as I was driving at the time!) But it was either Saturday or Sunday at 12 something. Sorry I can't be more helpful.

[ayresc]

quick solution = average speed camera.

Those that don't drive much in London will realise how much damage speed bumbs do to a car. As a scooter rider I also realise that raod is the most dangerous in South London. Mostly due to undesirables speeding, I once asked a guy to slow down, you can imagine what his response was!

[reetpetite]

I'd be more happy with speed cameras than road humps as I'm not a speeder but hate the humps and will go miles out of my way to avoid them ,my ex small car just couldnt navigate them well and almost had to come to a stop when going over them,much to the annoyance of cars behind me and risking one ploughing into me.

[ianr]

espelli Wrote:

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> I didn't see the exact date (as I was driving at the time!) But it was

> either Saturday or Sunday at 12 something. Sorry I can't be more helpful.

No, that's fine, thanks. I'd been wondering what motivated it. In my belief, the police don't usually bother with such things unless they feel there's a strong need. I remember, for example, as a commuter, seeing such a notice turn up on Waterloo Bridge a month or so after an accident, and wondering what had happened (perhaps someone died?) to merit its appearance then.

For whatever reason, it's probably a good thing that the police are getting involved in the analysis process. All accident statistics are collected and can be collated (there are web pages available, for example, showing the locations of all accidents involving cyclist). So perhaps the question of Barry Road is reaching the desk of the appropriate managers in both the police and the council. Contacting local councillors or police liaison would be a good way of helping nudge any such process along.

[Mark]

Having done a speed awareness course this morning I discovered that cameras are usually only put up if there's 3 serious accidents within a 3 year period. There are about 600 cameras around London and you can find out the details of each one here http://lscp.org.uk.

It tells you why cameras are there and it's not to make money (although it was before 2002), it's a reactive response to accident blackspots. For example the speed camera that's on Peckham Rye (near the new school) is there because in the 36 months before it appeared:

Fatal collisions : 1 Number of Fatal collisions at this site.

Serious collisions : 4 Number of Serious collisions at this site.

Slight collisions : 17 Number of Slight collisions at this site.

KSI : 5 Killed or seriously injured

http://lscp.org.uk/?cameras&cameraID=119

So as Barry road seems to having a fair few accidents I would second Ianr's comment about contacting the local councillors and/or police liaison and chivvying them along if you want a camera on that road.

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[the-e-dealer]

SO are you one of the speeders? :-)

[Mark]

not any more I'm not

[the-e-dealer]

Did you get the big biker bloke? (On Your Course)

[Mark]

I don't know if he was a biker but he looked like a silver haired Nick Griffin with a beer belly. Anyway without taking this too much off topic it was an interesting course and it does explain further the difference in stopping distances between driving at 30, 32, 35 and 40 which was an eye opener.

He did also say that if there's enough call from local residents the police may set up random speed checks from the back of an incognito van to periodically catch speeders in an area.

[david_carnell]

Of course stopping distances are entirely variable according to what car you own. A new Mercedes with ceramic discs will stop in a fraction of the distance of some clapped out banger that scraped through it's MOT when both are travelling at the same speed. The speed limit is the same for everyone however. And this is correct; an interesting anomoly nonetheless.

I'm aesthically opposed to further street furniture, such as extra signs, bollards, flashing lights, road markings etc and decent research suggests that the removal of these "driver aids" can in fact lower the number of incidents.

But given the clamour of opinion in this case, a mini roundabout would seem a sensible solution.

[Eliza.D]

espelli Wrote:

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> There is a yellow "Traffic Incident" board there

> now which may serve as a useful visual cue to slow

> down/look around etc.

But where they have chained it to a lamp post makes it even more difficult to see whats coming from the right up Barry Rd if you are trying to pull out from Underhill.

[Mark]

david_carnell Wrote:

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> Of course stopping distances are entirely variable

> according to what car you own.

The examples we were shown were police serviced vehicles with Class 1 police drivers and they took about 30 feet to stop at 30MPH plus thinking time, so about 45feet.

Roughly speaking, if someone walks out from behind a 33ft long bus, at 30MPH you're going to hit them, but it'll be at 6MPH. At 40 MPH you're going to hit them at 18MPH which will hurt them a lot more. And that's with a well looked after car.

(Blimey, do I sound like I've been brainwashed?)

[the-e-dealer]

Yes its compelling isnt it! 3 times the speed for an extra 25% ! Must be nicer to be hit by a Merc or am I mising something?