Keef

Very true, it's busy for the first hour or so, then you just get your little group of regulars coming in and out all day, then people come for winnings at the end. In the summer you get your evening crowd in for the dogs.

I am starting to feel quite sorry for the seacow now. I'm not saying I doubt what anyone is saying, but I do feel that because they have been so bloody good about the critisism, people just start laying it on thicker and thicker.

Here with me - Dido

Chav, you are not a bloody chav!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Something I would like to see in full 3D style would be an Oddworld game starring Abe. I really enjoyed the story, puzzle solving, and humour of these games.

Wish you were here - Pink Floyd

Sean I hadn't heard Carra saying that, but fair play to him! Gerrard isn't our only player who is guilty of stupid long range shots. May times lately I have been watchig matches and wanted to throw things at the telly because they worked the ball beautifully in to a good position, but rather than hold play up, or thread it in to the box with a clever pass, they go for the wonder strike, and miss! Grrr!!!! Where are you Anna?

A good friend of mine, who is admittedly the biggest stoner I know, always tells me "paranoia saves lives"! :))

I didn't see it last night, but was keeping an eye on the score til near the end when I gave up, thinking that once again we'd snatched defeat from the jaws of victory... Pleased we salvaged the point, but don't know what the hell is going on at the moment. Gerrard has come out saying that all the speculation around the club's future is affecting the players.

02086934236 Speak to Mark if you can. It's not a folk night, but you get a mix, and the people that have been there when we've been in have been really nice and it's a good atmosphere. I shall speak with Mark and work out when I'm next down there and put details up.

Good stuff Andrew, your photos from that night are better than te very drunk ones that I managed!

Get the party started - Pink

Lets talk about sex - Salt n Pepa

Close to me - The Cure

I loved the lizards from about the 3rd or 4th of .

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think criticism where critiscism is due, and in this case this damned place should have been getting it months ago, but now everyone is bandwagon jumping I may as well join in and be seen to be "mean spirited" as Sean has pointed out. I personally think a chippie is a chippie, if you want to charge restaurant prices open up as Wheelers or some other fancy fish restaurant, dont sell standard fish and chips and give it some snobby label like this place has done. I dont see what the issue is with selling pies and fishcakes and sausages anyhow, surely thats what this type of take-away does? Maybe I grew up in some bizarre location which is completely different to everywhere else in the UK then. As for the standard of the food served *bob* well i'd rather eat at somewhere like Semas or Emilys where I know the food is fresh and doesnt pretend to be. To be fair Louisa The Seacow isn't really a chippy is it. If you go somewhere like Whitby you'll find loads of fish and chip places like Seacow that sell fish and chips, but no pies / savaloys / battered sausages. I wouldn't call this sort of place a chippy, a chippy is Emily's or Semas, both of which are fab, but the Seacow is a different type of place and can't really be compared. I personally don't eat fish, so don't really care if the seacow is there or not, much like I don't care about Green & Blue because I'm not a big wine drinker. However, I wish them no ill, and think that the owners of Seacow deserve some respect for reacting so positively to the comments on here.

Chav, I think you give far too much consideration to class, and I don't think it's something that really exists anymore, definitely not in the way it used to. How do you define class, is it simply if you earn more than ?25k you're middle class, and less than that you're working? Or is it to do with your outlook and attitudes? I know all the old definitions of class / Bourgeoisie & Proletariat, but for me they are all well outdated, and don't stand up ion todays society.

Fair play Sue, I had seen folk acts there before, but you're right, it was also full of singer songwriters.

On this thread I basically agree with ????'s arguements. And I'm not a better (maybe once or twice a year I'll bet a tenner). I still disagree about bank charges though!

Fuschia Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Keef Wrote: > > The quotes you've used are interesting, and no doubt true. However, all they really show is that it's far more dangerous to be a kid than to be an adult. > > Well yes, that is exactly the point I'm making! As I said at the start of the thread " life as a teenager is pretty perilous these days. People are naive if they don't realise that, and that it impacts on East Dulwich." I never disagreed with any of that, I just said that I don't think it's a new thing. I was at school in the 90s, so not really that long ago, and things were the same! And Southwark isn't any safer than anywhere else, but it's no worse than anywhere else either.

atila the gooner Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Peckhamgatecrasher Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Hendrix covered a Cream song but I can't remember which offhand. > > I think it was sunshine of your love, but I'm not 100% It was indeed. It was a live performance on top of the pops or something like that, Lulu was hosting. He said "this is for cream" before starting the riff... Cool! One of my fave songs ever is Wild Horses by the Rolling Stones. It was covered by The Sundays who did a very different and really beautiful version.

Piers I do have a bit of a soft spot for the Hammers. I also want them to win as it would help us out no end! ;-) And Jah, you're right, Mrs Keef said she didn't mind the football on as she had stuff to do. By half time I was begging her to come and watch a DVD with me!

Try The Ivy House on a Wednesday evening, that might fit the bill.

Fuschia Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "Compared to adults, children and young people experience greater levels of violent crime victimisation. According to the 2006?2007 BCS, the risk of becoming a victim of violent crime is 3.6 per cent for a British adult. However, the available figures for children and young people provide a striking and stark contrast. For young men aged 16 to 24 the risk > was almost four times greater: 13.8 per cent experienced a violent crime of some sort in the year prior to their BCS interview. > > ... almost half of children attending school surveyed in the 2004 YJB Youth Survey had been victims of a crime in the previous year. And according to the 2005 OCJS, just under one-fifth (18 per cent) of young people aged from 10 to 25 years had been a victim of an assault in the last 12 months, with 10 to 15 year olds more likely to have been victims than 16 to 25 year olds (20 per cent and 16 per cent respectively). The evidence clearly suggests that children and young people > suffer much higher rates of victimisation" > > Source: ?Knife Crime? A review of evidence and > policy > > Centre for Crime and Justice Studies > King?s College London > > 2007 First of all Fuschia please don't think I'm trying to pick specifically on your posts. The quotes you've used are interesting, and no doubt true. However, all they really show is that it's far more dangerous to be a kid than to be an adult. I still stand by the claim that that is nothing new. When I was 16 coming home at night through Peckham at 2am, I would be sh!tting myself. These days I'm still cautious, but don't really worry too much. I was a much more likely target back then. With regards the colour/race issue. There are more black people living around South London than most other areas, so there is a lot of crime involving black people, simple as that. In other areas where it is all white, or all asian, the crime will be commited by whites or asians. It has nothing to do with race as such, simply who is living where.

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