Keef

That would be cool, do you have a multi region DVD player? Kenny not released til Jan 21st here, but I can get my Australian disk back. It's well worth a watch! Actually, I have a multi region DVD player I could bring with me, or we could just do it at mine.

Have you seen it yet Sean? If not, it'll be out on UK DVD soon. My copy is Australian, and I leant it to someone months back and haven't seen it since. :-S Might actually buy the UK version.

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Lol - But then again if Mrs Keef was told > > "you can't use the term Brain Storming as it's > used only by idiots in The City and you should > know better" > > I would argue it was quite correct ;-) See your point, but to be fair, we always "Brain Stormed" when I was at school. But in defence of my good lady, I believe it was a fellow student (who by all accounts was likable but a complete and utter pain in the arse) having a big row about it with another very proper student about the Brain Storming issue. Mrs Keef just enjoyed the show for pure comedy value >:D< This thread leads me to a slightly different conversation that I think we may have touched on here before. There is a real fear in society of being seen to be racist, or prejudiced, and so people will not always voice their opinions. If someone said to me they thought Britain should close it's doors to more people coming in to live, I wouldn't immediately label them as racist. Of course there is a chance they could be, but they could equally be totally reasonable, but have well formed arguments to back up their opinion. I have seen people shot down very quickly and called racist for saying things like this, and it angers me, because quite often the people doing the shooting, seem to be doing it basically to show how "right on" they are, and distance themselves from any possibly controversial opinions. For the record, I don't think Britain should be closing it's doors, and the fact that I felt the need to say that maybe proves my point.

Mate there's a smell in here that's gonna out last religion! Kenny

downsouth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There is a spectrum that over time shifts. Attitudes in the 40s and 50s would now be deemed offensive. However there are some areas where society as a whole is either not ready or will never be ready/accepting. Unfortunately political correctness is a term that has in recent years been used to describe all efforts at achieving a consensus - laudable but at times fraught with very poor exceptions. > > There are though absolutes, and racist is racist and prejudice and sexist are just that. The rest is grey and for society through media like this to discuss, debate and keep alive. Your post reminded me of an English Teacher telling us that her husband still had a very old tin of shoe polish labelled as "Nigger Black". Now this obviously, and quite rightly, wouldn't be acceptable today. However, there are those people who I wouldn't call racist who were born of a different time to us, and probably use phrases which would be found offensive today without having any malicious intent. I work with a lot of elderly people, and visit them in their homes. It is common for them to mention something about their carer who happens to be black, and to say some thing along the lines of "she's a nice girl, dark skinned, but lovely". Now some people would call that person a racist, and I can understand why. I however would call them a person who grew up around Woolwich in a very different time, and who is actually trying in their way to show that the colour of a person's skin doesn't make a difference. Aaaanyway, not really sure where I was going with that. My favourite anti PC row is the banning christmas one. Found 2 articles, this from the BBC in 2002, and this from the Guardian in 2005. I work with a fella in his 50s who loves all this, I find it absolutely hilarious! I do have to say though, that I had a "Political Correctness gone mad" moment when Mrs Keef was doing her teacher training, and was told quite seriously that "you can't use the term Brain Storming as it's offensive to epileptics". Come on!!!!

I'm right by the river in Woolwich, and saw it start and spread out at first it looked like it was coming from a huge chimney.

... do you have a new favourite forumite? ;-) I'll be Keef again soon I promise, just wanted to see if a new name would take off... I still love Liverpool though, I promise!

Shake it like a polaroid picture.

benjaminty Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think that this thread has missed one important point here ..and that is that ABO may be looking to open a site BUT... they may not open it as an ABO. ABO actually own the White Hart in Palace and the Phoenix in Denmark Hill station and many others without the ABO branding and associated culture. White Hart in Palace is really nice actually.

I'm up for it, but don't think I can make the next 2.

I might be up for a little acoustic guitar set, I can ask I've-met-jimmy if he'd be up for joining me...

Do you think they might beat Sunderland's record of lowest points tally at the end of the season... Bless them, I love an underdog, and hope they get at least a couple of big surprise results for a bit of pride and the memories.

Annasfield Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I don't thinkm we were shit. If it wasn't for > Niemi we could have had another 3 at least. Perhaps I was quick to judge, but whether the goal keeper was good or not (he was), Man U or Arsenal would have taken them apart a lot earlier than we did. I'm usually a posative kind of fan, but at the moment I just don't believe in the pool as contenders...

I disagree with some of what he said Sean. He made good points, and used some very powerful examples to show how un-politically correct (or just racist basically) things used to be, but he came across as a selfsatisfied knob, and to say that everyone who would use the term "political correctness gone mad" is just trying to cover up the fact that they're a racist or a biggot is a sweeping generalisation. Shame, because I think he had the chance to make a very good point, and as far as I'm concerned he f**ked it up.

Thank God for Torres, Liverpool have been pretty sh!t. Just annoyed I took him out of my dream team!

Northcross Road again then.

How bizarre turning p late and being the sober one, not a role I'm used to playing!!! Lovely to see everyone as ever, and great to meet you BB and Barry marshall :)-D

Well Quaywe started the thread, and didn't take part once after that, so I guess he sat back and enjoyed the show. Just for that, I hope chain stores open either side of your house ;-)

Keef the knife thrower... Nice. Oh wait, not Keef Damn it. Slosh the social services employee... I WANT MY OLD NAME BACK!

*Smiles at DM* Do you know me lady? We have shared special times, but I have... been changed *Looks out of window as is seeing some distant memory*

>:D

I don't "know" much about paintings, and always worry that if I say I like something I'll be a philistine. Reminds me of the Crash Test Dummies song When I go out with artists They talk about language and the cubists and the dadaists And I try to catch their meanings And I try to keep up with all of the martinis I don't know which should be my favorite painitings If I could see, if I could see, if I could See all the symbols, unlock what they mean Maybe I could, maybe I could, maybe I Could meet the artists, and get to know them personally If I were David Byrne I'd go to galleries and not be too concerned Well I would have a cup of coffee And I'd find my surroundings quite amusing and People would ask me which were my favorite paintings What if the artists ran the TV? All the ads would be for find scotch whiskey: Glenfiddich, Glenlivet, the whole single malt famlily The artists of the future Will make up new things and different nomenclatures And they'll stand amonst their pictures And they'll sing and laugh and quote from scriptures and When they go home they'll dream of brilliant paintings I will find some that I do like and see how I go...

Spinal Tap?

ADMIN!!!!!!!!!!! Could you please reserve Keef for me :-$ If it does happen, I'll have to bump the "My missus thinks Keef is a numpty" thread ;-)

Just fancied a change, sure Keef will be back... :)-D