hammerman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Not sure what you're trying to say Sue as you > didn't quote all of my post but I like to set an > example to children and adults alike when crossing > the road. I didn't quote the first part of your post because it wasn't relevant to my point and I didn't want to clog up the page with unnecessary words :) I thought my point was quite clear? That we should be teaching children to stay safe on the roads, which is about far more than just "waiting for the green man". Quite apart from anything else, there may not always be a pedestrian crossing anywhere near where they need to cross. As I said, or thought I had, teaching children only to "wait for the green man" in every circumstance is counter-productive, as everybody with half a brain cell can see that if there is not a car in sight - nor likely to be within the time it would take to cross the road - "waiting for the green man" may be a complete waste of everybody's time. It needs wider training about identifying where a vehicle could come from unexpectedly (eg a side road or a speeding vehicle round a corner) and taking that into account when deciding when and where to cross - and indeed, whether to wait for the green man, which is mainly useful in circumstances on main roads where there is likely to be a lot of traffic. Surely once a child is old enough to be out by themselves, they are old enough to understand that? If they aren't, they shouldn't be out by themselves.