Sue

> > Evidence presented via the media natch - like all > of us I have no other knowledge base. xxxxxx Many of the official police files are given in the second of the links I posted in my first post on this thread. There is also further information in the first link I posted. That is some kind of knowledge base. I wouldn't rely on the media for "evidence" if I were you :))

Let's just wait and see what the outcome is from the investigation, shall we? I'm not being drawn into entering any further discussion with you on this subject, DJKQ.

Voyageur Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Still really hope that Madeline and any > other missing kids are found - can't imagine > anyone else thinking otherwise. xxxxxx Who has ever suggested that anyone hopes any missing kids won't be found? Not me. Voyageur, what evidence exactly are you talking about in your post? I don't understand.

Well hopefully after all this time there will soon be some kind of resolution. It has all been going on long enough. I do not normally read about cases like this, in fact I go out of my way not to as I find them very upsetting, particularly where children are involved. I do not believe that I am either ghoulish or icky, but for some reason this case has continued to interest me. Well, I do know what sparked my interest in the first place, but I'm not going to risk another full-on attack by the forum police for saying what it was :( Anyway, hopefully as I say there will soon be some kind of closure.

Chick Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > I took no pleasure from the last sick thread about > this. I didn?t goad you, just asked you to drop > it several times, as did other people. > xxxxxxx You told me that I was sick, amongst other things, for daring to suggest that some things in the case were not as they had been portrayed. Perhaps you have forgotten. And why do you think I would "drop" something just because you (or others) thought I should? What do you think gives you the right to police what I post? And why has this turned into some kind of meta-thread about a past thread? Bizarre.

Chillaxed Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Nope, the one Sue refers to above where she went > toe to toe with DJKQ for 9 pages. No idea how to > link threads and maybe shouldn't if it was deleted > for legal reasons. xxxxxx Yes that was the one, and I have no wish to repeat the soul-destroying experience. I was ripped to shreds by a number of people (some of whom subsequently apologised) for posting facts which were already in the public domain. It all became very personal and some very nasty verging on offensive comments were made about me. Sadly some people will always believe what they want to believe, and others will pursue their own irrelevant agendas regardless of the subject matter of the thread. Human nature, innit. The thread was either deleted or blocked (is that the technical term, can't remember, anyway nobody able to post on it again) at my request (I started the thread in the first place). I requested the deletion because of the afore-mentioned troll, who made probably libellous accusations instead of sticking to facts, and could have got the forum into trouble, especially considering the litigious nature of the persons under discussion.

El Pibe Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Chillaxed, consider yourself lucky the other one > is gone forever, though like japanese knotweed it > is a persistent little sod. xxxxxxx For someone who has been urging others to "just walk away", you yourself also seem to be a "persistent little sod" on this thread, El Pibe :)

Chillaxed Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Fook me, just read the other thread on this. > > Not sure whether I'm more or less informed on the > case now. xxxxx What other thread? The previous thread which was on this forum a year or so back turned into a repetitive head-against-a-brick-wall farce, and was eventually deleted - if memory serves, after a newly registered troll started posting stuff which was almost certainly libellous.

El Pibe Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > let it go people, just walk away, xxxxx Like you are, you mean? :))

DJKillaQueen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Sue, this is a very good article on why cadaver > dogs can not be relied upon as hard evidence > without supporting forensic evidence (of which > none has been found in the McCann case), xxxxxxx Forensic evidence has been found in the McCann case, and is part of what Scotland Yard has been looking at. I was hoping that you would stay off this thread, particularly in view of what admin has recently said to both of us, but if you intend to continue the "discussion" of the previous thread which was deleted, please at least get your facts right. Thanks. ETA: And I really have no wish whatsover to continue yet again to attempt to convey the difference between "indicative evidence" and "conclusive evidence" That's why in Scotland there is a possible verdict of "not proven" as opposed to "not guilty".

UncleBen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Doesn't anyone care? xxxxxx Yes, I do. I care about any child who appears to have at the very least been neglected, and I cannot understand why so very much public money has now been spent on this particular one child amongst thousands who are missing around the world. But in previous "discussions" on this forum, the usual suspects have been more keen to have a pop at me than to discuss substantive facts in any meaningful or logical way. The Portuguese police were obliged to shelve this case because the main people concerned refused to return to Portugal for a reconstruction which would have moved things forward, plus one of the main people concerned refused to answer 48 questions. These are facts. There are other facts which are in the public domain and in the links I posted above. Not all the available evidence has been released by the Portuguese police, however. Let us hope that the two police forces between them can now find out exactly what happened. Chick - you were one of the people who seemed to take great pleasure in goading me on the previous thread, which eventually had to be deleted. The definition of schadenfreude is "Pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune". If you are suggesting that I derive pleasure from the disappearance and probable death of a little girl - not yet four - who was left alone by her parents night after night in a dark, unfamiliar, apparently unlocked apartment in a foreign country with her two younger siblings, where any accident could have befallen any of them, you are sick. I have two grandchildren. And if you are suggesting that I derive pleasure from her parents' misfortune, I would suggest that "misfortune" is a strange word to apply to people who neglected their children and then did not co-operate with the police investigation into the disappearance of one of them. And Uncle Ben, you appear to be stirring.

El Pibe Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "So far as I know, two highly respected dogs..." > > There's something wonderfully Alan partridge about > this statement. xxxxxx I am actually Alan Partridge in female form :)

Fair enough, but the discussion on this thread seems to be about different issues. What I meant was that I have no wish to rehash the "discussion" on the previous thread, and I don't suppose anybody else has either. Sorry if I didn't make that clear :) Congratulations on your "easy win" though, quids :)) ETA: And actually, at the point of the comment made about my number of posts, I'd made exactly one more than Uncle Ben. Hardly a statistically significant difference, I suggest :)

Well let's hope that after the four million plus pounds of taxpayers' money spent by Scotland Yard on their "review" of this case, and all the money the McCanns have spent on suing people who dare to publish theories which disagree with their story, there is some sort of satisfactory resolution. Because if after all that the answer is "well we still don't know if she's dead or alive, she could be either", that wouldn't be too helpful, would it? Not to mention bringing no closure to anybody concerned, not least the parents and the rest of Madeleine's family.

UncleBen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You never know, I mean they wrote off the US > women. . xxxxxx So far as I know, two highly respected dogs (who had previously never been wrong) hadn't alerted to the presence of cadaver and blood in any places or to any items associated with the abductor of the US women. In the McCann case, they both alerted within an apartment where nobody had previously died and from which a four year old girl was missing. I stand to be corrected, as I haven't read much about the US case, and the same dogs have been used by the FBI in the past. I believe similar dogs played a crucial part in leading to those accused of the deaths of both Tia Sharp and April Jones. I think there is an infinitesimal chance of Madeleine being found alive, sadly, but let us hope it happens. ETA: And of course the McCanns have informed us that the dogs are totally unreliable, so against all the past evidence otherwise, let us hope that they are right.

OOOPS have had a lot of wine and hadn't read the whole of the thread, DUH DUH DUH :)):)) :))

maxxi Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > *Bob* Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > If we go on holiday we usually leave in turd in > > the pan for our cat too - in case she gets > > peckish. > > > or as a life raft for the smaller cat (a high > fibre pre-holiday diet is essential for this) xxxxx :)) :)) :))

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Why oh why can't London just be frozen in a bubble > - at a particular time of my choosing? > > > It's sooooo unfair. xxxxxxx :)) :)) :))

MrBen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Those drop down menus on websites to select your > country. That require you to scroll all the way > down past the Democratic of Congo, Ethiopia etc to > get to United Kingdom. > > Why not have it at the top as a default choice? xxxxx Because unless it's a UK website, why should the UK be a default choice? We're a f-ing tiny island, FFS :))

Not me .... Can't be arsed. Either people can use logic or they can't. Have given the links, not going to be drawn into pointless arguments this time. Just hoping it's the end game. Just wanting the truth to be out. And if it's not what I'm expecting, I don't really care so long as I think that justice has been done.

trizza Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > birds like owls which their cats could kill so > were essentially comfortable with the "food > position". They also plan to leave the toilet seat > open so the cats have a source of water. It all > sounds ok to us. xxxxx Is this some sort of joke? :( ETA: See below ....

If she's alive, then the two highly trained and highly praised British blood and cadaver dogs who independently alerted at several places and to various items associated with the McCanns must both have been wrong ..... http://themaddiecasefiles.com/ Let's hope that finally the end is in sight and that a little girl so badly let down by her parents finally gets some sort of justice. And that the British press grow some balls. Though chance would be a fine thing. Shoot me down in flames people, I really don't care. I'd love to see her found alive, but it just aint gonna happen. ETA: And if Scotland Yard have leads to "abductors", they're hardly going to splash it all over the press unless they're totally incompetent, are they? Oh, wait .......

stacey-lyn Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- For the > record, the prosecco commie preaches the socialist > manifesto from his country estate in Dorset xxxxxx That's somewhat unfair. Billy Bragg has a largeish house overlooking the sea at Burton Bradstock, a nice beach in Dorset, but it's hardly a "country estate". He must have made quite a bit from his music, so good luck to him. He gives his time free to things like Hope Not Hate's successful efforts to oust the BNP from Barking and Dagenham. He also gave a free concert to the people who were leafleting there before the council elections a year or so back. I know, because I was one of them. What do you think he should do, give away all the money he has earned and live on the streets?

Peckhamgatecrasher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It was probably your neighbours, not the wind at > all. xxxxxx Yeh. I love windchimes but had some neighbours who didn't. If you want to replace them, maybe best check with yhour neighbours first? :)

Forsythia is tough as old boots. Hack it right back now and it will be fine - and should flower next year, but even if not it will deffo flower the following year. Loads of info if you google, here's just one example: http://www.amateurgardening.com/uncategorized/pruning-forsythia-the-right-way/