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I think you missed a couple of important details placing it later than 1914

The rain in Penge, falls mainly on the flange

Brendan you can still claim Turkey...

oops! Thanks Pickle. I think I need more coffee.

Italy will get my Parmesan support.

A simple rissotto topped with Asparagus and shaved Parmiggianno

Just off the corner of Pellatt Rd and Lordship Lane opp the Magdala Pub.

Sue, The Herne are having problems with a resident complaining about noise from the garden.

Boy! Things certainly have moved on since the Canon EOS Mk1 Digital Potato. http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/763/484091.JPG

Is this really the future?

Great. We'll invite a couple of Red Coats to join in. Don't forget to bring your certificate.;-)

Best wishes Allycat. Hope the hangover is gentle on you.

Jah have you forgotten the one that came to The Dog drinks? Sean the tradition is that you buy the first round for everyone and then we agree to giving you an exclusive sale at 0% commission

Possibly me, I'm frequently loitering there! Wot Sean said plus best cafe in ED IMO. Also sells a select range of eggs, fruit and veg and a few deli items. There's a tiny little courtyard out back, free wi-fi and papers, but opening times can be a little inconsistent (Possibly related to Chelsea's fortunes).

But surely Kylie on the Jukebox counts for something?

Bit further a field but the Guinness is excellent at The Blythe Hill Tavern in Forest Hill/Catford

Did you get a look under the bonnet?

I agree with this statement to a point. Buying a property can be treated equally as an investment and as a home. If you're prepared to put in some leg work, buy a home that needs renovation (and are prepared to do much yourself), find an area that's up and coming (as ED was a few years ago) and perhaps buy at an auction or at the very least negotiate hard then you can build up a larger amount of equity and trade up. It may NOT be every ones cup of tea but many have done it successfully (and many have f*cked it up too). Even in a falling market there is money to made, but as with anything it's all about timing. Keef by all means don't be put off by buying. *Bobs* advice is sound and unless you plan to buy on a 95% mortgage and sell again within 2-5 years then I wouldn't worry about the volatility of the market. Buy within your means and allow a cushion for when interest rates pick up again and against the rising cost of living. Why is it a crisis because prices are forecast to drop at least 10%? For most it was a crisis when property prices were rising faster than 10%.

My joints are starting to ache, my hairs turning grey and my memory's not too good.

scotslass in theory you're right. But take Locale for instance. They have several branches but it's taken them a little while to run sweet. Give them another go and hopefully you wont be disappointed. Bakery doesn't necessarily mean baked on premises. See earlier comment in thread. edited for poor sellping

Petrol Station

No, Jah is right. I'm off to the CPT to watch paint dry. Edited for missing comma

Give them a break. It's only just opened and likely to have a few teething problems. Unless of course you prefer Cafe Clone.

On a positive note McDonalds gets 5 Stars as does KFC, Pizza Express and all the other chains. Still you can also rest assured that an excellent 4 out of 5 on Lordship Lane and close by goes to: Thai Corner Cafe Sea Cow Black Cherry Kebab & Wine Le Chardon Springers Wine Bar Blue Mountain Anatolia Domino's Pizza Bubble & Squeak Cafe The Lane Cafe Pavilion Cafe Dulwich Park Cafe Rouge Mr Lui Pizza Pan Franklins Curry Cabin Cafe Nero Dulwich Picture Gallery The Plough Cafe Starbucks Cafe el Passo

It's like pushing a pea with your nose up Everest. Unless you've been a parent or cared for toddlers/siblings it's difficult to fully appreciate. To answer 'first mate's' question I would say that if the toddler is in any location (doesn't need to be a pub) that is threatening to them and at a time when they need sleep/feeding or both then they're not going to get much positive out of it. There are a small minority of parents, from all sections of society that don't always exercise good judgement. It's a shame that that small minority can often spoil things for many others. Often though it's simply not the fault of the parents. On a nice warm summer evening, in a beer garden/restaurant/cafe/whatever, with friends/family at a reasonable hour (not later than 8pm IMO) then I think it's a positive environment for toddlers to socialise and be introduced to different environments and people. Kids are kids so their behaviour is never going to be exemplary (same as us adults). During their development, they'll either be frustrated at a lack of ability to be able to express themselves articulately, hence the screaming, a need for attention (aka all youngsters in the animal kingdom) or full of curiosity to push beyond the boundaries set by their parents. All qualities that endear us at all ages. If we were a more kid/family friendly society I wonder what the statistics for teenage knife murders would be?