DJKillaQueen

Animals can definitely feel stress. They know when to run but does an animal ever know that it's going to die. The commonly held view from animal experts is no, but who knows for sure.

He also enjoys the tracking aspect and gets a spiritual connection from hunting an animal. But this is not sport. This is ritual, not disimilar to the spiritual relationship between man and animal expressed by the writings and art of many civilisations and tribes. It gives meaning to the act of hunting beyond just coldly killing a animal for dinner. And you also seem to think that we as human are somehow not animals too. We are as much a part of the food chain as any animal. We are now just more able to protect ourselves from our predators - but it wasn't always that way. He does it for pleasure, not because he is starving & has to eat. Some would argue there is merit in killing your own food rather than expecting someone else to do it for you so that you can buy it off a shelf, and given how polluted and 'manufactured' processed meat is for example there are lots of very good reasons for killing your own I would say. How often have you seen people fawn over cute little lambs only to see them eating lamb for Sunday roast a few days later. It's one of the things that amuses farmers about townies most...... Back to my friend who has a farm in Wales. If a mink gets into the chicken coups...it kills everything, ripping them to bits far worse than any dog or fox would. So they shoot any minks that start to hang around. It's the mink or the chickens. What choice would you make Aquarious?

The problem is that we no longer live in a world with limited means of communication that can be easily controlled. It is increasingly hard to censor any voice even if the reasons for doing so are valid. As for the extremist in the programme.....he is typical of any extremist (irregardless of the culture/ religion or cause). Annoying yes, but also completely deluded as to the validity of his views.

How is hunting an animal that is then eaten afterwards, a sport, Aquarious? Scribe has been very clear about what he hunts, why and how. I have no idea if he/she is real/ genuine or not but the points being made are exactly the same reasoning used by tribes that hunt for food (and yes they do still exist on remote parts of the globe). There ARE valid reasons for certain types of hunting. You are an animal extremist Aquariuos and like all extremists, sometimes lack any objective common sense in your debate. You are entitled to your view of course, but you might find that is you show respect for others views, you may get some back in turn for your own.

Hunting is a difficult debate and people who grow up in the countryside or on farms definitely have a different relationship to animals and wildlife than us townies. I have a friend who owns a farm in Wales and her pet hate is the mink. It is brutal in the way it hunts and kills it's prey and not for food either (Aquarious seems oblivious to what animals do to other animals - they certainly don't have any grasp of other creatures as being anything but prey). To me it seems perfectly reasonable to hunt for food in a responsible way. Just because we don't have to (because of plentiful food suppliers who do it for us) doesn't mean a person can't. If anything, I would argue that those who hunt and then eat are far more respectful of the value of the things we eat and where it comes from.

Very good question lol.....

I think I'm going to pick Birmingham....they are having a good run at the moment.

Yes I agree. James...your gleeful use of those three cases to try and taint the rest of the labour council...many of whose councillors work very hard (my own ward councillors being three of them) is well...... How about this one James..... or this one James? Just to even things up! Seems like the criminal sort wear a yellow tie too! :))

Peckham Rye West IS part of ED ward.....get over it lol.

HA HA Man U LOST....... Hmm who shall I pick.....?

It's a pity the Police didn't take names and addresses of every passenger on the bus at the time instead os now asking for anyone that was on the bus to come forward.

Really!? She seems like a lovely laddy to me...

Oooh I happily spend time with her ;-)

LOL....

But the Rachel woman is also a mother! How can she be scarey?

Hmmmm....but some would argue the pleasure is in the eating...not the cooking.

Hmmm.....why is prodding meat with tongs a bad thing? Surely just checking to make sure it really is dead? Her fish pie recipe is to die for though. Does she prod the fish in the same way?

Yep...that's the idea!

Wow...32. I think I have nine and one is signed by Rustie Lee......no masterchef book is worthy amongst such classics as the 1970's woman's own cookbook :)) (it has everything in it!). I do bregrudgingly have the first Jamie Oliver. My favourite atm is Rachel Allen's home cooking though.

I think some door staff do use them and a couple of schools have used them too. Anything that might help has to be worth trying.

See that's where Mac goes wrong. Because he has 15 cookbooks, peeps think he is an aspiring masterchef. I think anything above 5 is just asking for trouble :).

Yes I did...but can never bring myself to spell Liverfool correctly.

Well I like both motherfucking football AND motherfucking cookery....and just for good measure I'll throw in one of these >:D< (cos I haven't ever since the trauma of realising it ain't a thumbs up)....

I have the same deal with Liverfool ;-)

What I find quite disturbing too is that in this case the attacker carried out the attack in front of witnesses. It's not just they have no fear of the consequences....it like it doesn't even enter into their heads there will be consequences. To do something so violent and deadly without any kind of second thought. Most people....even the ones that do get into trouble, have some kind of moral compass.