4000+ a day what? I assume you mean users. I wasn't referring to that at all. Have a thought... Possibly the select few whom have drifted away; or spoil the fun for others by creating an unfriendly atmosphere (either by picking on others, being offensive, even the untied clique moving together - as some people think -),domination by regulars, some who threaten to leave creating so much hassle that new people would question what kind of forum this is etc; select few who make the forum move forward; the select few who don't like the forum yet still join in, nose around...; the select few who have created friendships beyond the forum... the list goes on. Expressing ones self through words/text/what have you is can often be taken the wrong way. I detect a defensive grumble from your good self Sean in response to me picking up on your own loosely put comments... lets play fair now (no really there's no need to prove me wrong) Again as expressed, ones interpretation can be very different from what one individual really means.