Thanks, Frisco I didn't know all that. Was it the underground rivers that were the final nail for the underground in this part of south london? Nico Ladenis lived in Camberwell Grove at the time and I think he would have been more than happy to be in the west end. But his was the real start of 'New English' cooking for me, and it was not a popular style at the time. Fresh ingredients, meat cooked rare etc I think he opened there as it was the nearest place to DV he could get his hand on, I can't remember if it was a burger place before or after he was in there, before it became the Chinese. Tram lines indeed, far too modern, surely Edward Alleyn started the regeneration of East Dulwich.