LadyDeliah

So why were there so many people who do not fit that description involved in the rioting?

Instead of a knee jerk dismissal of the information NN is posting, because he has a kind of 'conspiracy' theorists delivery, why don't you actually look at the facts with an open mind and evaluate them. I have no idea if what he is saying is crap, but I hate it when people just react with closed minds and close down any discussion of their points by saying or alluding to it being a conspiracy theory. The father and grandfather of 2 Bush presidents were involved in funding Nazi Germany, so why aren't any of you shocked or appalled about that? The Patriot Act is a disgusting erosion of the US Constitution, as are the Terrorism Acts in the UK. Neither of these pieces of legislation have much to do with controlling anti-patriotic acts or terrorism, and are used on a daily basis to control ordinary people in both the US and the UK. The banking stuff is more complex for me because I know more about law than economics, but it's pretty obvious that there is something massively wrong with our financial system. Fractional reserve banking looks like a massive con to me where people licenced to be banks get to invent money from no-where, lend it to poor plebs who then pay real money back to them, or lose their property if they can't pay. It seems like a massive fraud. Also the selling of debt again and again and adding extra bits on top to make a profit and claiming it all back from the tax payer when the debts aren't paid and things go belly up, also seems like another big con. I think NN has some valid points, even if his delivery seems a bit hackneyed.

david_carnell Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Frankito - think of an egg as a chicken's period. > It arrives regardless of whether a cock is around. Lol, now I've got gross images of fried period!

There are many things I'd not care being wrongly accused of, but that Loz, sorry, no I can't accept that libellous accusation!

I ordered mine from here: http://www.happychicks.co.uk/. If you call them, I'm sure they will be able to advise you, but I always thought it was better to get them as they are just about to start laying eggs, but I guess it would depend on what you want.

Don't blame that on me Ridgley - it was Loz wot dunnit!

No probs. Hope the links are useful.

Lol, only if they are 40 plus middle class ED mothers!

My neighbour's dog and kids are noisy, so I don't think they will be complaining about a few chickens.

I'd have to send them out to work though, to pay the land tax, so they will need some saleable skills Hugo.

Er? Sod off bankers forum, maybe?

Sorry it's a bit long, but I didn't want to edit another person's announcement. Hope to see some of you guys down there on Sunday.

Do I kid about things as important as land reform? I'd have a commune so we can all chip in to pay the land tax. I'm not greedy, don't need it all to myself dear Jeremy!

I've just ordered some more. Couldn't resist it! I ordered a nice new coop and fox proof run, plus all the bits and pieces and 3 point of lay chickens. Can't wait :)-D

Can't believe I found my old order email: Apple Cox (Self Fertile) M26 1 Year Maiden Quantity: 1 Price: GBP 14.50 Plum Early Transparent Gage Pixy 1 Year Maiden Quantity: 1 Price: GBP 17.00 Cobnut Cosford 2 Year Bare Root Quantity: 1 Price: GBP 8.00 Cobnut Kentish Cob 2 Year Bare Root Quantity: 1 Price: GBP 8.00 Blackcurrant Ben Sarek Bare Root Quantity: 1 Price: GBP 4.00 Gooseberry Invicta Bare Root Quantity: 1 Price: GBP 5.00 Redcurrant Red Lake Bare Root Quantity: 1 Price: GBP 3.75 Rhubarb Timperley Early Bare Root Quantity: 1 Price: GBP 2.50 from http://www.keepers-nursery.co.uk/ All but the rhubarb have done really well. The other one I used was: GRP-STW/G: STRAWBERRY GRAPE (Vine Age-1st year 1 8.45 vine) HYB-T/TAY: THORNLESS TAYBERRY 1 9.25 BLU-SUN/B: BLUEBERRY - SUNSHINE BLUE 1 13.95 from http://www.deaconsnurseryfruits.co.uk/ All planted in 2008 and doing really well now.

I got a few of my bushes from an online nursery but can't remember which one. If you search Google you should be able to find them. The ones I've got are Kent cob and another one whose name I've forgotten! I'm going to try to make it into a nut hedge so that it doesn't get too tall. I have been working on a fruit hedge on the other side of the garden and under my trees at the back. I'll search through my old emails to see if I can find out more info.

Well lets have some land reform and I'll happily look after myself on the land stolen from my peasant ancestors!

I have had two sets of chickens but they all got slaughtered by foxes. I have been thinking about getting another more secure chicken coop and a few more chickens. I loved getting the fresh eggs but wasn't keen on the chicken poop all over the garden!

Not much space, the trees are still small. But I am lucky, yes. I was in a flat for years before moving here and my balcony was like a jungle! lol Ok here are some pics: Fragoli grapevine: Other grapevine: And my apple tree:

Behave now, you're not in the lounge now children!

At least we knew Thatcher was going to a cnut, well those of us who understood what her policies would do to the country, but Blair is like the friendly uncle who buys you sweets and then buggers you when no-one is looking, all the while telling you that he's a good guy!

Out of the debris from the disorders in Peckham grows a new living network of local people keen to work together to address the multiple causes and conditions that gave rise to them. There will be a further gathering to help this grow on SUNDAY 28th AUGUST at 5.30pm in the back hall of All Saints Church, Blenheim Grove SE15 4QS. If you want to be involved but can't come on Sunday, please email [email protected] and give your details. As this is just at the beginning of something new, and you will probably be interested in some of the local aftermath to the momentous events of two weeks ago, I am copying the latest news email below. If you want future versions please email [email protected] ?and give your details Eileen http://www.peckhamvision.org ______________________________________________________ Dear all, Thank you for opting to be part of this e-mail list, it means that you have either attended a gathering of local people talking about what is next for Peckham or you want to. So the next get-together will be on Sunday 28th August at 5:30pm in the back hall of All Saints Church, Blenheim Grove SE15 4QS. Please do pass this info around your own networks, friends and family, we are not a select group and want as many people as possible to be involved in the re-build of this community. A recap on the last gathering's main points were: 1. We share a common desire to work for the good of Peckham as a community, whether we represent a group or came on Sunday as an individual. 2. The diversity amongst us (and others who gave apologies) is a great strength. 3. We recognise the especially key role played by those who work directly with youth. Several such organisations were represented. The importance of mentoring was a recurring theme, with programmes that have been running for many years and which are in urgent need of volunteer mentors with the necessary gifts. 4. Whatever we do together should not be a 're-inventing of the wheel'. The meeting itself demonstrated the huge amount that is already happening. 5. There is a need to create a network amongst us all so that we can now and in the future make a co-ordinated response if the occasion demands. We definitely do not need meetings for their own sake nor another layer of bureaucracy, but we will all benefit from mutual support and communication of what is going on. Thank you Jonathan for capturing this for us! NEXT GATHERING ACTION We also recognise that many people on this mailing list and wider in the community have so many ideas of things we could do and initiate in Peckham, both short term creative ideas through to long term changes and goals for the whole community. Next Sunday it would be great to provide a space for practical ideas to be discussed and small groups of initiators to be developed around these ideas. There are many expertise and skills amongst us and many volunteers who have signed up to get involved and support these ideas. Pulling together is the best way to see them become real. So please have a think of what you would like to do and come armed with thoughts for Next steps for Peckham!! Secondly, we are looking to start joining all the voluntary/community organisations that work locally and help place all the volunteers that are signing up to serve their local community. If you represent or are connected to ANY organisations that serve this local area then please bring some information about what you do and how others could get involved or support you. PVSF will definitely need to be involved in this... and Volunteer Centre Southwark! LATEST NEWS A couple of updates include: Peckham Shed and a number of other groups are talking about what is next for the peace wall. There are loads of ideas. It will be coming off Poundland shortly and initially stored for 'data collection' - if you/anyone you know would like to help copy down the hundreds of post-it notes then get in touch!!! Ideas past that are being developed, we want to keep it alive and a symbol of peace but also move it forward for people to do more than write a post-it! Any thoughts? If you want a copy of the local 'good-news newsletter' that people are distributing to get some post-riot good news out, please email [email protected] ???Thank you Adam Walker at Peckham Space for putting this one together! If you have any more stories to add please e-mail [email protected] ??for the next edition. One great story Blue Inc have told us is that they are sending the guy that saved their store on Rye Lane by putting the fire out on a holiday of his choice as a thank you, how great is that!! Keep the good news rolling and if you want to help add stories or put the newsletter together, get in touch!! Please also pass around your networks so everyone gets to hear the good news! EVENTS There is a new project supported by ted.com called INSIDE OUT... it is a global art project allowing people all over the world to use photographic portraits to tell their stories in the streets. Black and white images are made into posters, pasted in public to encourage community dialogue and archived online for the world to see: www.insideoutproject.net INSIDE OUT London is starting in Peckham and capturing the stories of local residents who have acted as heroes in the face of what happened. An example image is attached! On Saturday August 27th, The aim is that Peckham will come together to paste these portraits in the streets and celebrate the strength, resilience and bond that the community now shares. If you want more information, want to share a story or want to get involved in the day then please Contact to find out more & follow them on Facebook It will be more fantastic positive publicity for Peckham which after years of negative press we want to welcome! The Council are talking about Saturday 3rd September to come and LISTEN to the community - at the moment they want table and chairs to sit and do a survey on the square. They really want to work with the community on this and I am sure that between us we can think of much more creative ways to capture what the community want to say. The leader of the council will be there and I know that many ideas coming from the community are about listening to each other. Now that the Council are taking an interest on how to make that happen it would be great if we could help find the best ways (e.g. the peace wall) to help listen. Dimitri, your peace pod idea could be put back into effect - ??Anyone else interested? Please get in touch. We can talk about it at the meeting on Sunday 28th but that only leaves us 5 days before the 3rd. Finally, The Elephant and the Nun, Southwark's new community festival celebrating the heart of Southwark covering Elephant and Castle, Walworth, Kennington, Camberwell, Peckham and Nunhead is taking place on the weekend of 17th and 18th September. Rescheduled from 14 August following the disturbances. The Elephant and the Nun will bring together community groups, individuals, businesses and schools in a festival that gives the area and its residents a chance to shine. They are currently looking for projects that are visible and engage the communities of SE17, SE15 and SE5, so for further info or details on how to get involved then contact Southwark Events on 020 7525 3422 or email [email protected] by Tuesday 23rd. Well done if you have got this far and thanks for reading... Thank you to everyone who is spear heading ideas and good stuff and for SO many of you who are wanting to/are volunteering. At the peace event at All Saints on Sunday 14th, we had over 100 people say they wanted to get involved somehow!! Let's keep connected and excited about what we can do next for Peckham. Hope to see you on Sunday 28th 5.30pm. -- Email: [email protected] Blog: postriotpeckham.wordpress.com Twitter: @pkmsettlement Telephone: 020 7639 1823

My tomatoes are totally green still! I have had loads of really sweet nectarines off my nectarine tree and my apples are really good. They are both about 5 years old now and this is the first year they have produced much fruit. I have two trellised grapvines with loads of grapes on this year too. One is a strawberry grape called Fragoli and the other is a red, which I can't remember the name of. They are about 4 years old too and although they had some grapes last year for the first time, this year there are loads. They are still green too, so I think they won't be ready until the end of September. My brother just bought me an olive tree, which will probably take up the remaining space in my garden when it grows, but I am hoping I eventually get some olives from it. I love the idea of permacuture, where you plant perennials so that you get food every year without any digging! I have tried to layer my plants into the tree layer, shrub layer and for ground cover strawberries and some wild flowers for bees etc. I need to step it up on my veg patch though. It's looking a bit sparse!

mockney piers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I won't read anything that man has to say, but if > he has got it right then it rather gives the lie > that he was a conviction politician. If his > convictions are right then his ten years in power > serve a s nothng but a self serving ego power > trip. You had your chance to change things and > just made then worse. The man is a @#$%& and as > far as I'm concerned he's lost the right to > comment. Do the world a favour. Kill yourself and > hurry your journey to hell. Yup, my thoughts exactly! But after forcing myself to read his self-riteous shite, I can also say that he wasn't right in any case MP, so don't worry your pretty little head about the bad man. He's gone and should be forgotten!

Didn't he keep a company car and mobile or something belonging to NI too though?