Otta

Have actually done mine this week. Not that it'll help.

Agree with fox. Bozza no fool. He just plays the part very well and gets away with murder.

Ready grated mozzarella is a wonderful thing.

titch juicy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > United need to snap out of this very quickly or > Mourinho will be gone before Christmas. He > imploded last year. He'll do the same again. Twice > as much pressure on him this time around. He's > already had brilliant success with Chelsea, they > forgave him but different story here. I genuinely don't think he has ever really had the heart for it. As soon as he can't buy whatever he wants, or things don't go to plan, he throws a paddy and bottles it. I really believe that.

Never said that. But I very much doubt they'd be too quick to condemn, having put him on a pedestal.

It's no surprise that the British press will find people to speak in favour of their national treasure. They need national treasures to deflect from, you know, how shit everything is.

I'm not against regeneration where it makes sense. But anyone that has wormed to buybtheir home (and some of these people wont be the original Right to buy owners that cashes in) they have an absokute right to be given the value of an equivalent property in that area. A 2 bed flat in a block is currently pushing 300k in Penge, so offering these people in a much more exoensive area less than 150 is taking the absolute piss.

Ignore Grok. Have you tried Cllr Barber on here?

Indeed, credit where it's due.

I couldn't really care less to be honest, was just stirring. I just dislike him due to his 2012 sideburns.

Saw this story yesterday. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37417949 Tory minister doing the right thing whilst Labour led council continue to try to treat these people in a disgusting manner.

Wait, is it Timberlake or Beiber? I have to know!!!

Lance Armstrong was a total hero that overcame cancer and went on tobwin multiple tours. Until he wasnt anymore...

Other than being an angry little prick, Barton has always talked up his own ability (and probably believes what he is saying). Years ago he was questioning why Steven Gerrard was an England player and not him. Now say what you like about Gerrard, but they were leagues apart.

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That's an interesting perspective Otta, because > for many of who lived through Thatcher, Blair and > New Labour were saviours. That is, until the Iraq > War, as you say. Yeah, I was just a kid in the 80s, my memories of Thatcher are basically from Spitting Image. And we were dirt poor then, but at that time I think we would have been whoever the government was. During my teens I knew I was left leaning in terms of ideas, but it's only since my late 20s that I really started paying much attention to what was going on outside of my little bubble, and I think that's true of more people than would admit it. > > Just on Momentum. What do you know in reality > about Momentum? I ask that because, as much as the > media like to protray Momentum as some hard left > top down organisation, it actually isn't. Local > Momenuntum groups are self managing - there is no > central office mantra in that orgaisation. There > is a steering committee, but that's about it. > > On the whole, Momentum is a local campaigning > affair, and most of the people who attend those > meetings are people with campaign interests in > local or trade union issues, the same issues you > and I care about, housing, jobs, etc. Those people > also knocked on doors for the Labour party to help > get Sadiq elected etc. So there is a lot of > nonsense written about Momentum, not based in any > kind of reality. > > The problems seem to be with a few specific local > Momentum groups (who are definitely behaving in a > militant way) and with one or two specific > steering group members, like Sam Tarry - who has a > persona that is chilling at times. In other words, > finding the hard left, or muppets within that is > down to a few specific individuals. So the issue > (or rather worry) there would be how close those > individuals get to government. I tend to think > that without Momentum, they would find another way > anyway. Stuff I see 0on social media, and stuff I've seen at local meetings makes me pretty distrustful of some of these guys. I am sure the majority are good people wanting to do good, but there is without a shadow of doubt an element that are looking to take over. And they do so aggressively. Basically in the last year I have really had my eyes opened to just how unpleasant a lot of the left can be. It's made me look at my views quite a bit.

I used to say I hated the tories. I do hate some of their ideas, and I dare say there are a few of the harder right ones that I'd probably not like very much. Right now though I hate the Corbyn club and the muppets running Momentum much more than I ever hated any tory. I caught up with last week's QT last night. To be completely fair, it was Anna Soubry that started the personal stuff against McDonnell, but he and Campbell certainly carried it on. It was embarrassing to watch. I was only 18 in 1997. Not politically switched on, but with a generally lefty outlook. Tony Blair never did it for me because I hated his grin, he played a Fender strat slung way too high, and he shook hands with Noel Gallacher. All perfectly valid reasons to label him a wrongun to my 18 year old mind. Then Iraq happened, and that was it, so I never voted for Blair's Labour even though I liked a lot of the characters and a lot of what they were doing. Back then I felt drawn towards the Lib Dems but that all ended with Clegg (way before the coalition. I just never trusted him). I did like Gordon Brown, and think he is a decent man who inherited an already heavily poisoned chalice. I think by the time he finally got the top job, the public were already after a change. In that climate Cameron played a blinder and captured a lot of voters who were drifting away form Labour.

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Otta Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Trying not to get excited about Liverpool, as > > there are still issues with defence, and we've > > always done well against the "big" teams, it's > the > > Burnleys that we need to beat consistently, and > > that has been the same for years and years. > Hull > > at the weekend will be a test. > > > > BUT.... > > > > They are looking pretty decent and seem to have > a > > good spirit... > > > I'm feel you have copied and pasted this from > previous years Otta? Ha, exactly, Liverpool will take a while to gain my trust. Very surprised to see the bookmaker's odds, but suspect that may change. All that being said, they looked great against Chelsea. And they should have taken 3 points from spurs.

Trying not to get excited about Liverpool, as there are still issues with defence, and we've always done well against the "big" teams, it's the Burnleys that we need to beat consistently, and that has been the same for years and years. Hull at the weekend will be a test. BUT.... They are looking pretty decent and seem to have a good spirit...

Yep, forgot again. Doh!

Hi bermygirl31. Have you seen the "Penge tourist board" group on facebook? Very active group discussing local issues and social events.

LondonMix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What really annoys me though is everyone happily > accepted their tax cuts from the government while > in the same breadth complaining about the cut in > public services. Its one or the other. Totally agree. Personally I'd happily pay a bit more tax, and see less cuts. Although to be honest, less cuts would mean less stress for me at work, so I'd be paying for bettwe wellbeing.

I think the finances needed looking at for sure. But they were able (largely because Labour inexplicably sat there and let them) to just keep repeating that Labour were solely responsible for all of the world's finacial ills, and they were basically given a free pass to do their worst. And with some of the cuts they really really did. And in far too many ways it was the vulnerable that suffered most and contine to suffer most. I do take on board what LM says about those cuts which affected the better off, but at the end of the day, they're better off, so the cuts are a pain but not really that big a deal. I think the issue is that the effect of a lot of the cuts are not easily quantifiable, so it's easy for politicians to ignore the families who are losing support right left and centre, because it's not recorded.

I've said it a million times before, but for me "middle class" and "working class" mean absolutely nothing anymore, and haven't done since the 80s. I am totally guilty of using the term "middle class" as a lazy way of referring to people that think pubs are places to eat and enjoy jazz, but it basically means nothing definable.

I also agree that May is MUCH more of a "Tory" than Cameron.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think the big issue for the Tories and the cuts > were that many people (including me) believe cuts > were and still are necessary - where they chose to > do them wasn't always right and/or could easily > spun around posh boys cutting public services. I > do think, through no direct fault of their own but > birth, Osbourne and Cameron have no idea how what > to thenm seem trivial amounts matter to those far > less priveliged. I genuinely think they just > didn't get this in terms of benefits cuts etc. > > But we've a far more right wing or certainly more > 'ideological' govt now I think. Next election the > choice looks like being 'back to the 50s or back > to the 70s'! > > in my view Cameron>May>Corbyn......none that good I do agree that some of the problems happened because they genuinely had no idea what their policies meant on the ground. RThat was laid very bare when Cameron wrote to the council leader in his constiuency complaining about the closure of some services. The council leader (a tory) responded basically saying what the hell do you expect?