StraferJack

look at it this way Ridgley - if you die and don't pass through the pearly gates, it won't matter because you won't be aware of it. You'll just be dead But if I pass through them, then truly I am f@@@ed as I won't believe what I'm seeing (before I get the boot)

I thought the gold was held across several banks, and that the 10 tonnes quoted sits with only one of them? So who is to say the other 98 isn't spread across the others?

Anyone who passes through the purley gates, or any other part of purley way is doomed anyway. There is no salvation in that part of Croydon

He sure tries me

one of "them" has just added two more ads in there - might be worth having a word

I don't think I've ever found the lift "in action" regardless of what state it's meant to be in And dear lord the stairs are digusting But I've never had a problem at any time on Rye Lane Admittedly, when I came out of I am Legend at the cinema, close to midnight one December evening there did seem a bleak continuity with the empty streets but that's about it

well I wanted to avoid the usual religious versions so as to keep ridgely on board

Hands up all those people who think richardbach is dyslexic? richard - care to enlighten us?

oh my days - I think the point of me starting the thread has been lost And ridgeley - you do know that quoting from the bible opens up all sorts of problems don't you? Especially books like Deuteronomy

Frank's is on what now - year 3? In all 3 years I've never heard of anyone driving there. It's a campari bar on a rooftop - which bit of you intends staying sober?

scathing, Ted. Scathing

nope you can't - I've been in the same situation for my last two moves quite annoying when you think you have an aeriel slot and find out you don't

some quotes from the media - but from when? scroll down to see the years in question 1) ? Parents at this time, unfortunately, do not take sufficient care in bringing up their children. They expect someone else to be responsible.? 2) ?The passing of parental authority, the absence of restraint, the wildness of extremes, the confusion of unrelated liberties, the wholesale drift away from churches? 3) ?a debate on a "disturbing increase in criminal offences", and speakers asserting that "our wives and mothers, if they are left alone in the house at night, are frightened to open their doors", and that "over the past 25 years we in this country, through misguided sentiment, have cast aside the word "discipline", and now we are suffering from it". Delegates fumed over the "leniency" of modern courts and the way that young people were "no longer frightened of the police".? From a great article in The Economist here 1) 1951 2) 1932 3) 1958

sounds to me like they have left enough wriggle-room to end up not doing anything, but they get to sound "tough" to the press and locals.

now that's funny

ridgely - you're quite correct. And I'm not trying to denigrate you for any values you hold but as PR says, as the country is gripped by one of it's periodic moral panics, hearing the government reach for those particular values isn't helpful to many

BB - take a deep breath "so this truimphant feeling some have over making-it without faith and family does not provide any evidence at all that society in general doesn't need it." there is nothing triumphalist about it - it's just a counter to people who say faith and family is the reason for whatever achievement they quote. TO compare it to smoking is facile, as cancer caused by tobacco is a demonstrable fact whereas succeding in life is due do a whole host of different factors. Nor have you addressed my point about the rise of both religion and family in the scary part of the republican party - doesn't it make you a little bit scared in an Orwellian way?

And many people without faith and family could say the same about their offspring But if you want to see faith and family in action in 2011, have a look at the Republican party as the various lunatics try and out faith and family each other with their anti-gay, anti-evolution rhetoric

when you go to login (but before you actually type the id and password) check the address bar - you should see some sort of padlock and the address will start with https instead of http if you went to your normal address and it redirected you I wouldn't worry anyway. It's only when you click on a link in an email that I would be extra careful

seperated

" "Everyday you get a little bit older and a little bit wiser.."" hmm - I tend to agree more with a famous Corkman on this one "You get older You get scared But you get no wiser"

great rebuttal charlieb - and I love the tshirt outside Roullier White at the weekend as well the food stalls expanding has seen a big improvement with the vibe at the weekend. - and to say the sausage rolls are toenail clippings compared to most old-school chippies?? words fail...

Nothing wrong with family ridgeley, but nor is it the answer to everything. Keeping couples together when they no longer wish to is a recipe for disaster esp for the kids As for faith ? it?s been discussed to death on the forum. I doubt anyone will say anything new (but count me ?against?) Anyway, whatever your views on either F, they aren?t an automatic answer to the problems this week, which is what some people are saying they are. By doing that it excludes people like me and PR which we take offence at (sorry if I?m putting words in your mouth PR)

Crikey - that makes it sound like if I thought you were disagreeing with me, Things Could Get Ugly I might have paraphrased a whole bunch of posts, which were only trying to counter DH's odd obsession with this point - so if I have misrepresented anyone as saying they need the space, I apologise The more I read DH's posts the more I back away slowly, turned slightly to the side

a pedant notes: Larry David doesn't script Curb, it's all pretty much improvised. ahem As for the debate at hand. Lord spare us. Can I agree with Damian's core point that parents with kids don't need special spaces? If a company wants to provide them then goody gumdrops, I think they should be respected as such and anyone without kids who thinks they are special enough to park there is a tosser. And Damian is doing an admirable job of proving that point But that seems about as far as one can go. To say, as a parent with children, "I need special spaces" is taking things far. For a start, those spaces are a bonus for the early birds who arrive at the right time. All the other parents still have to make do with the standard-issue space. And that's fine really isn't it? It's not that bad is it?