I've heard a lot of debate about the game on radio and many people have made good points - but many others have been just daft A recurring theme is "we are English, we should be playing 4-4-2, not any of this fancy stuff" The whole point about the Beckhams, Gerrards, Lampards et al playing so well in their leagues is that they DO play the fancy stuff and raise their game with a proper coach and skilled (probbaly foreign) teammates - ie foreign players BENIFT English players Left to their own devices what do we get - hoof the ball 40 yards to the big man. Repeat ad nauseaum? And if those big players can't raise their game (and they definitely can't) then the next step down are even worse. Wayne Bridge?? I ask you... There was a moment in the match when the England fans were booing the Croation team who were passing the ball around the back in their own half - and that summed it up for me. Booing a team who keep posession whilst looking for a play instead of lumping it up the field. England won't come within sniffing distance of a trophy with that attitude...