Louisa

LM some of the finest architectural treats aren't necessarily grade 2 listed. Much like the old St Mary's Road Church in Nunhead was, or the swimming pool building inside crystal palace park, this particular gem on LL was a landmark many of my generation can remember being built. The former Iceland building started life as Tesco, then became Bejams, which was taken over by the Iceland group in the early 1990's. That building has been a monument to 20th century architecture, a stunning embodiment of everything that is and was ED. The current overhaul of it's look seems like an attempt to wipe its history away and pretend that it's a new building with a new glossy retail unit at the bottom alongside numerous expensive flats above. Architectural folly, destroying a gem to create a faceless corporate design. All the worst traits of globalisation and capitalism combined. Louisa.

A casual walk down NCR this afternoon left me with the awful realisation that the once local Iceland landmark had been covered in disgusting scaffolding with huge grey RSJ's jutting out from the roof. What an awful ugly overbuild for a residential neighborhood, soon to possibly be joined by another over development opposite. This is similar to when some once grade two listed buildings in Camberwell were pulled down to build flats. Totally out of character with the neighborhood. Very sad. Louisa.

Ok going above and beyond all that has/is going on right now. The next key question is, which of the candidates for PM would be best to send to Brussels to negotiate our corner over exit talks? A few names are in the mix right now, some remainers some leavers some fence sitters. A few people inside the Tory party have already said only a brexit supporter can really front out negotiating hand, is that the right thing though? Who is the most cool, professional and diplomatic out of all potential and declared candidates? Louisa.

Well I've seen busy lizzy many times and yet people claim she doesn't live around here? (Sorry if you're under 35 you'll probably have no clue who this person is). Louisa.

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All this party politics at a time of acute national crisis is palpable. We need leadership from our Government and from the Official Opposition. The bickering needs to stop, and we need to quickly decide the runners and riders, call a leadership election and get over with. Time to move on to more important things than self indulgence. Louisa.

If France held a referendum tomorrow, they would overwhelmingly be gone from the EU, with a much higher percentage of leave voters than we gave here. Hollande would never be stupid enough to give them that vote. Although fruit loops such as Le Pen may now feel emboldened. Louisa.

Foxy the 350 mil was a total lie from day one. I think the point many are making specifically on this thread, is that overt racism as a consequence of the referendum result has dramatically increased. There is clear evidence that is that case. I don't think anyone is suggesting that they have only just noticed now that racism exists, that's not the point at all. This brexit result has allowed for some very unsavoury hidden nastiness to rear its ugly head. I feel very part to blame for this whole mess, and it is shameful. Louisa.

What a disgraceful sight it is to see all this boarding, scaffolding and extension on what was once a lovely old building. A local landmark in fact. If some people from beyond the grave could see what has happened to the old Iceland facade they'd be devastated. Louisa.

Come on then. Gimme some. Pork pie, I mean. Louisa.

What Otta said above. Even the most fervent in the remain set of the Tories will not be able to back ignoring this referendum result. It's quite clear that the people have spoken. The only ones who can really take a punt are those with little to lose, such as the Lib Dems. But let's face it, with 8 MP's, can't see them doing much. Louisa.

One conclusion I've drawn from years and years of 'pub talk' is this. Never talk politics or religion. It's a big no-no. For years I've listened to rambling pub 'lawyers/politicians/doctors' et al. They're all biased, tend to be ill informed and allow alcohol to take over. Like I said the other day, you really do sometimes have to hold your hands up and admit being wrong, especially when it is with family/close friends. If you are going to talk about important things such as politics, you need to appreciate that it will result in arguing and disagreement. Just steer clear unless you can be a person who is fine with accepting defeat! Louisa.

Thankyou Admin for my reinstatement. I shall weigh up my options, and consider whether I want to spark the EDF version of Article 50, by once again posting outside of the Lounge. I think it is only right to accept the fact that I am a polarising figure, and my return to the rest of the forum will cause some turmoil for a brief period at least. At this time of forum uncertainty, let me be clear. I shall not be posting in the main section anything regarding class, hipsters, yummy mummies or gastropubs. I will however, speak my mind about the coming of M&S and its detrimental effect on the local population (from all social classes), and my sadness at the loss of Iceland. Finally, let me just say this. It has been a pleasure being confined to the lounge this last year. I have discovered a new purpose, a purpose far beyond the neatly trimmed hedgerows of ED. I can now admit when I am wrong, and I can weigh up my options before coming in full throttle. Louisa.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36644934 More horrific news. Louisa.

This is what happens when you allow the right to hijack any campaign which appeals to the heart as well as the head. Hence my utter disdain towards Corbyn for not seizing the ideological moment and appealing to people's brain with some hard facts said from the heart, especially Labour voters. Instead, he half heartedly read from scripts he barely knew, and had little to no belief in any of the messages he was trying to convince people with. The lack of passion allowed the less informed people (including myself) to soak up the heartstrings bollocks dished up in abundance by Farage, Boris & Co. Louisa.

What Cameron really should do tomorrow, is call a press conference (bare in mind his political career is now all but over so no face loss), and tell the nation that he will need ratification from the regionally devolved parliaments before he can invoke Article 50, more or less handing over the process to the regions. Scotland and NI votes against invoking of Article 50, and Cameron announces under such circumstances which threaten the stability of the union, he cannot invoke Article 50 and returns to the EU and tells them for reasons of stability the UK will be remaining in the EU. Louisa.

And if the lower house doesn't allow legislation to invoke Article 50, what then? Chaos on the streets? Questions about democracy and legitimacy? I don't know where we go from here tbh. Louisa.

Surely only Cameron has the right to press the Article 50 button? He's still PM. Louisa.

Boris again continuing to make promises he can't keep. Britain will continue to be in the free market, freedom of movement will continue and Scotland isn't entitled to/won't get a second referendum "there's no appetite" apparently. Bizarre. So let's tell everyone it's all going to be fine, and continue to piss off the Scots in the process. What's wrong with this guy? Louisa.

Osborne doesn't deserve to enter any race. His puppet master has walked off in a huff after handing the car keys over to a circus act. So time for the puppet to retire gracefully. And fingers crossed, never thought I'd say this, Theresa May will be the one to steady the ship. Just as Harriet Harman did when Miliband stepped down. Louisa.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36637037 More breaking news. Boris confirms EU co operation will begin immediately. Louisa.

Foxy, you know I respect your valued opinions on this forum, and I would never knowingly undermine you. But on this one you are wrong I'm afraid. Sometimes it's better to hold your hands up and just admit, look I've got it wrong. We have been lied to on this and I honestly believe we will come to regret our decision. Louisa.

You guessed it, something else I had not thought about. Will the protected statuses of certain regional foods and drinks continue to be proptected under EU rules or will they be torn up, allowing other countries to produce similar items cheaper under the same name? Louisa.

I miss the days when I missed Iceland. Louisa.

Boris and Gove should have been coming out jubilant and optimistic following Thursday's vote if they genuinely believed in it. The sad fact is, Boris woke up absolutely bricking it because he realised there was no plan A nevermind a plan B, something Cameron had been privy too from day one, hence his genuine anxiety about a possible brexit. All those empty half hearted promises surrounding extra funding for the NHS and immigration controls have now fallen by the way side. The political ambitions of one MP have allowed for the entire nation to be put at unprecedented risk, a punt, a gamble on the unknown. It is truly sickening that nothing we have been promised has or will likely ever come to pass. In the meantime Boris, given his parting gift of invoking article 50 by a departing Cameron, is now utterly a rabbit in the headlights not knowing whether to turn left or right. Louisa.