firstchoicegary Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > cyclists need to try and realise we > dont have as much control over a 2 ton van as > 150kg bike and rider. motorbikes have power to get > out of trouble. A ridiculous thing to say. If you drive with due care and attention and at a sensible speed, respecting other road users, particularly cyclists, who are the most vulnerable road users, then you'd have as much control over your 2 ton van as is necessary to avoid any collisions etc