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Phew At last someone everyone can get behind hating "Katie Hopkins" bet there won't be any complaints if she's never seen on telly again !

Snowy, he has failed to engage with the discussions on the social distancing measures that the council are pushing through. It's not childish, I just want a councillor who works for the people who voted him in. Is that too much to ask ?

Glad to see that our local councillor has his finger on the East Dulwich pulse Would be nice to see him engage with the people who voted him in over concerns with local issues including the shameful pushing through of the healthy streets agenda by the council rather than what's going on over in Brixton where he's a school teacher. James I don't see your response to people's concerns around local road closing measures, are you representing us or are you just a yes man to the council ? (I think it's obvious which it is in my mind 😱)

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Don't forget to use paint that doesn't damage or weaken the outer layer of the helmet as your life depends on its structure integrity 😃

The whole backlash against historical slavery is a bit weird in my mind, yes slavery was wrong, but before we try to rewrite history maybe we should attempt to fix modern slavery first as its happening here and now. The people working off their passage to the UK in places like nail / eyebrow shops and restaurants. The people working in sweat shops abroad to supply us with cheap clothes, trainers and products. The people forces to act as sex workers after being brought to the UK..... There are so many "modern" slave trades that we as a proactive caring nation need to tackle first before trying to deny that our history (good or bad) happened. Or do people think its okay to pay lip service to historic slave trading but turn a blind eye to modern forms because it saves them money (which bizarrely is what the original slave trading promised people all those years ago) Just my rainy day musings but it does open up a question on people's attitude towards slavery.

Sadly, Beijing that had a period of 57 days without new cases is seeing a new spike. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-53074076 Doesn't this tell you why wearing masks in public on transport and possibly the 14 day quarantine period is required to help the UK keep numbers low going forward? If Beijing is seeing new cases after nearly 2 months of being Covid free then it occurs to me that this is a virus that we currently have limited information on how it will reoccur and no control over how it behaves.

I Wouldn't want to be a councillor come the next election if this is the way that they treated the people who voted them in.

I stumbled into this thinking it was a discussion on classic Madonna hits Sadly disappointed now !

snoopy17 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I have no health problems, but after 2 minutes I > can't breathe in those masks, wearing those masks > for a long period of time will make more people > sick as they are breathing in their own breathe. > > > if you have no health problems and you can't > Breath in a mask will they still let you on a bus. This is typical of the general attitude in the population "I know we need to wear face coverings but I'm a special case and beside I won't catch it or pass it on" We don't seem to be very good at following the rules do we! Maybe because "the special cases" went out and spread the virus during the 10 weeks of lock down rather than following the advice of staying home then the numbers could have been lower over the whole period, based purely on if people stayed in then the virus couldn't be transmitted. Of course this is am idealistic view of things but based on comments about people not wanting to wear masks then it lends weight to the concept in my opinion. Oh Snoopy, I'm not having a go at you, more the general attitude we as a nation seem to have to bring told what to do yet wanting to blame those that tell us when our failure to follow advice makes everything go wrong.

With the comments on indoor vs outdoor spread of droplets and whilst shops can reopen safely with the 2m rule and limit numbers inside with people queuing outside where it is relatively safer ( ? ) I have to ask the following question. How safe is an enclosed shopping center like Westfield's where the droplets and potential spread of infection won't respond in the same way as they would in an open high street ?

Fahrenheit 451 ?

seenbeen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Spartacus Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Carry on > > What, you mean the films? Yes Although that's not PC these days is it

Carry on

I wonder if other counties support their governments decisions ? Italy are holding their government to account and let's be honest it's a global pandemic and if we had a different government in place they would make mistakes too. One person breaking the rules doesn't justify you doing the same, if Cummings or any other rule breaker jumped off a cliff would you? The real issue is that the science here is new and our scientists support keeping the 2m rule but activists want 1m and regardless of what the government decide they will be wrong in the eyes of half the population so it's a no win decision. Are we that desperate for a pint and pizza that we would risk our health or is the risk of a second wave exaggerated ?

Is that a vote in support of keeping the 2m rule or not ?

There's a lot of pressure being applied to relax the 2m rule at the moment, mainly by businesses (hospitality, airlines ..) as they see it as a barrier to getting enough customers in to justify opening. On the other hand infection rates are higher here then other countries that have been cited as relaxing the rule. My personal thought is after seeing what happened when things were relaxed recently (increased numbers on the beaches , mass protests , failure to social distance) that if the rule is relaxed to 1m then that would soon be ignored as currently most people are not observing the full 2m rule when passing others in the street. Thoughts ?

Have you had PPE ?

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A review of London statues is to be done - and > some are very outdated anyway. Is there an > argument to remove all the old ones to museums > even though it would change the City. > > deleted rambling bit about cones :) Personally , if the mayor has money to burn then he should be investing it in anti gang and knife measures to stop so many of our youth getting killed (lives matter) Once that has been solved then yes by all means review the statues and spend money on them but eyes on the bigger priority of saving lives After all the statues aren't going anywhere (on their own) 😱

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > They should retrieve the statue, melt it down and > cast a new statue of Paul Stephenson. > That would be poetic justice in the re-use of the > bronze from pro slavery to pro equal rights. > That would take care of the plinth too, just reset > the new statue on it. Paul or Pamela ?

And that's the paradox, your family are appalled at the way the indigenous people are treated, yet your very ancestors treated them badly and stole the land from them in the first place and treated them as second class. My comments aren't about actually giving the land back but that there is a limit to how much people are prepared to give to have true equality.😱

SB There is that element too, that can't be denied that the current non indigenous residents came from other countries including the UK and Ireland. Which is the crux of the paradox, they took the land over and would they , if asked , give it back ? My suspicions are not which would be exactly the same in America if the native Americans (commonly mislabeled as Indians) demanded their land back. Whilst people protest for equal rights, there will always be a point where the equal rights stop in favour of the majority current land owners.

http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgIssueHistoryHome.aspx?IId=50023147&Opt=0 Appendix 16

Rockets as James is a teacher, you have to question what views about the police teachers expresses in front of young vulnerable children based on the comments in his latest tweets ?

James so the healthy streets consultation is a sham then as whilst it's still going on, you are planning on implementing some of the measures in it regardless Not exactly democratic or fair is it ?