Spartacus

Markt it was because of the study in to autism that a lot of people objected to the triple jab, so potentially some or a lot of them would be happy with the compromise. The anti vax lobby is entirely another issue.

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There is talk across the world of the 15 minute > city - where you can walk or cycle to everything > you need. > > > https://www.ft.com/content/c1a53744-90d5-4560-9e3f > -17ce06aba69a Assuming you can easily do both of those or have limited things to carry. Although I agree having thriving local town centers should be a goal supported by local councils as without them we will all be up the Amazon without a paddle

One thing I never understood People objected to the MMR (for what ever reason) so why did /does the NHS not offer two paths Path one: MMR if you had no issues with it Path two: three separate injections for Mumps , measles and rubella ? Thus no gaps in the immunization program and everyone is largely happy (okay there is a cost but compared to long term costs of a lack of take up these would be mitigated) Maybe I live in a simple uncomplicated world in my head at times.

You're right JohnL but it's more about learning how to get the early warning up from WHO so governments can react faster, getting countries with outbreaks to recognise and report them faster (in this case China appears not to have informed WHO fast enough but that needs to be investigated and validated), what countries around the world need to do next time (is total border closing the correct path to take? What other measures are needed) and also how to stop an outbreak occurring in the first place wherever it occurs ! I think the exercise didn't focus on such a huge pandemic and centered around how the emergency services and hospitals would respond so from that and this pandemic lessons need to be learnt globally.

Sadly if your driveway is empty, neither the police or council can do anything unless there is a yellow line across your drive. If you had a car up your drive, the van could be moved or ticketed as it is blocking you in but the rules are not the same for stopping you getting into your own drive. Is there a company name or anything on the van that could give you contact details ? In the short term put a note on the windscreen asking them to move as the drive is needed, if they are nearby and see it they may move the van Sorry

D R The report on the borders focuses on us NOT recognising the threat from Europe quickly enough when the UK was quarantining people from certain Asian countries. Can you imagine the cry of "anti European government" if we imposed the same restrictions on countries like Spain in the early days of March ? Whilst it was a missed opportunity ,no other European country was restricting travel across the eurozone at that point, with the exception of regions in Italy. Only recently when numbers of infected have gone up in Spain and travel has been restricted, the press cry "summer is ruined" (spinning bad news rather than talking about preventing a possible second wave) Sadly there are arguments for and against total border controls during all stages of a pandemic but WHO failed to advise it was a pandemic despite every person and their dog seeing it so the warning flag from WHO wasn't raised fast enough to give governments the correct information to make an informed decision. What ever the government did factions would be against it and the press would spin bad news from it. So rather than us all pointing the finger at our government maybe we should all be asking for information on how the pandemic started and what needs to happen to stop the next one (a recent report that was on the television bbc2 last week I think, highlighted that along with SARS , this is the 4th major viral breakout in the last 20 years so no doubt another will occur) Next time we and the rest of the world need to learn from this one and be ready.

nxjen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ?There is possibly a strong argument to promote > increased cleaner car usage not less to help > prevent future pandemics? > > One major reason people use public transport you > have overlooked in your haste to save Londoners > from COVID-19 is that they can?t afford to run a > car Oh I haven't overlooked it, simply if we push ever increasing numbers of people onto public transport the risks increase during this and future pandemics thus by reducing car usage are we not in danger of making things worse ? Rah sadly whilst you don't think it is, a large number of people feel that local councils with increased parking restrictions, closing off roads and other measures are fighting a war on motorists !

On the BBC website today, there is a story about the report by the Runnymede trust into BAME risks through the covid pandemic. BBC News - Coronavirus: Ethnic minorities 'over-exposed' to Covid-19 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53651954 Whilst I'm only extracting a small part from it for this thread it is worth reviewing. Part of the report highlights "The survey found those from ethnic minority backgrounds were also more likely to say they had used public transport during lockdown - which could increase the chance of transmission because they are enclosed spaces." With this in mind, does it not imply that we are all (regardless of race) actually safer commuting in our cars than on public transport as there is a lower risk of virus transmission and whilst cycling and walking is an option for those who can or want to, the blanket war in motorists could be responsible for increased levels of virus transmission in the future if people are pushed out of their cars and onto public transport ? There is possibly a strong argument to promote increased cleaner car usage not less to help prevent future pandemics.

My father used to ask , when I did something silly spurned on by my mates, if your mates jumped off a cliff would you ? Nowadays people look for an excuse for not taking responsibility for their own actions. So DC didn't jump off a cliff but the generic question remains. Why did you?

seenbeen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > the irony is that the younger ones are spreading > it about but it's older people who will get locked > down! Can you imagine the complaints by the young if it was the other way around.. "You oldies have ruined this planet now you are killing us" Maybe us oldies should start a similar cry "The cotton wool generation are trying to wipe us out" or something similar 😆

Or another alternative to the evil MM

I think Abe's point is that they are conspicuous by their absence when an awkward question or subject is presented to them.

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A bit like the opposite of burning-down allotment > sheds. > Some tinder and a match then boom you have a fire > in seconds, but hours of satisfaction watching it > burn (unless the fire brigade arrives). Is there something you need to tell us Kid ? Backs away slowly hiding matches and lighters ....

lindylou Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > pk Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > If you?re talking to other people you should > > probably try harder to make sense > > > > And to have some idea what you?re taking about > > I know exactly what I'm talking about. I was born > and bred here. I remember the Brixton riots and, > believe me, that was terrifying. What you're going > to see soon is nothing compared to that. I'm done > with this forum. It's not open to discussion. > Every time someone has a differing opinion they're > shot LL it's the fact that you haven't been fully clear in explaining what you are talking about and what your real fear is Who are the bb ? What exactly are they asking for and what's the result of they don't get it ? No one is shooting you down, they just don't clearly see your argument as it needs clarity in presenting

I'm confused What does this refer to The closest I can find for MM is mutual mass debating If that's coming this way then I'm afraid of a return to swinging and pampas grass !

lameduck Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > that's it Spartacus > The youngsters think they invented it > we done that in the 50's > also get a big button black cotton > find house with tree branches near upstairs > window. > Climb tree suspend button on branch, everytime > wind blows tap tap on window > gets them confused for ages > we were wicked Also when cars were less frequent (70s), get up early, tie strong cotton or light fishing line to door knockers on opposite sides of the road going all the way up First car up the road in the morning would pull the lines before breaking them resulting in door knockers being lifted then falling to make a single knock on virtually every house up the road. Hours of fun setting up for a brief moment of satisfaction, bit like domino rallies Totally off thread but why don't kids have the imagination or freedom to play like that these days. As for the milk,a milk safe is a very good idea or a motion activated camera to see who's doing it

I've never actually seen a live one. James Barber once walked past after he lost his seat but a live elected one, never Maybe they are like chatbots programmed with a limited number of council authorised answers and if challenged they default to "speak to my supervisor" mode (who also doesn't exist) 🙊

se22cat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You could also slip in a white dog turd if you > find one of the legendary beasts that can still be > spotted around ED now and again :) Tripe That's what causes them 😅

The sour milk element doesn't work as they smell it as soon as its open. The hidden surprise is better, especially if they are drinking it on the way to work 😱.

When I was younger and everyone had milk, one trick was to grab the milk as soon as it arrives,carefully take the top off without damaging it then put out an empty bottle filled with milk and a few dog ends. (If you smoked) or something else equally horrible but small enough to hide in the milk which then drops out into their tea / krispies and put the too back on carefully. The thief gets a nasty surprise and tends not to come back to the same address tons steal from.

Foxy , with all your medical conditions I would have thought you would be the last person to question pubs staying open over stopping the virus taking hold again. It is sad that pubs may need to close again if numbers go up but then again as the Great British public have almost forgotten about social distancing thinking the numbers are so low that it's safe out, then we only have each other to blame for any new increase in cases and any reversals of measures. Best way to keep pubs open is wear a mask when outside of your own home, don't get too close to others outside your immediate group, keep washing your hands and isolate & get tested if you feel ill. If we all do these simple things hopefully the uplift in cases will turn back down again. The power to keep pubs open (and other businesses) is totally in our own hands.

Wasn't yesterday "Love Parks" day ? Maybe it was all related to that event 😎

Clutter queen please post the link to the regulations on southwarks website to back up your statement as they don't have the legislative powers to ban bonfires.

Yes you can https://www.gov.uk/smoke-control-area-rules As long as it doesn't produce dark smoke (I.E. if burning plastics) And as for bonfire being illegal , southwarks web site says you can report them if they are smoky but in general they aren't illegal unless causing a smoke nuisance (burning dry wood is fine , wet wood not) They can not act on reports of the smell of a fire as smell is not part of the legislation. It's an urban myth that southwark have banned bonfires as they don't have the authority to make that a regulation ..