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monica Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Than I suggest you do your best to help those in > need and stop posting stupid comments. No one > cares about your opinion. If you want a sob story, > try watching your loved one dying in front of you > and there is nothing you can do about it. I doubt > very much you live locally, and I suggest the next > time you travel to the East Dulwich borders, bring > your passport, and we will see you if you are > worthy of being in the greatness that is East > Dulwich. > Close the door on the way out of ED dontbesilly, > or the more apt name would be, Iamsilly > > > dontbesilly Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > monica Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > We are in talks with the local police and the > > > council to get CCTV installed, due to no CCTV > > on > > > Lordship Lane. Dontbesilly, I suggest you do > > your > > > research before you start spouting nonsense. > > The > > > irony is literally in the name. > > > i am not sure what your agenda is > dontbesilly, > > > however clearly you couldn't care less about > > the > > > ED community. > > > > > > dontbesilly Wrote: > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ----- > > > > monica Wrote: > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > Dontbesilly are you ok??? > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you ok? You keep demanding the council > > > spends > > > > money on something that is already there. > > Stop > > > > sensationalising a few people stealing some > > > booze > > > > from the shops of Lordship Lane, we are in > a > > > > borough with one of the highest knife crime > > > rates > > > > in London- get a grip. > > > > No, not particularly. Its amazing how fanatical > > people get on here about the simplest most > > irrelevant thing- someone didnt clean up their > dog > > poo- disgraceful! Someone nicked something from > > the local co-op- burn the witch! My bins didnt > get > > emptied on time- scandalous! All whilst perched > > nicely in your ?1 million + fancy East Dulwich > > house, when a mile or so away other humans are > > living in poverty. I really hope you get your > > CCTV, so some feckless junkies can be sent to > > prison for a couple of months for nicking a > > sandwich, perhaps that will make the 'ED > > community' so much safer. Dontbesilly Is clearly a vile troll with a lot of time on their hands full of bitterness and bile.

rachp Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Pugwash Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > We also know an elderly person who until > lockdown > > did not have a fridge or freezer. She moved into > a > > HA flat from a private rental which had > inadequate > > electrical sockets. She moved to the new flat > with > > the fridge which later 'died'. despite offers > of > > help to take her to shops to purchase new > fridge. > > she declined as felt that since she was able to > go > > out daily to do local shopping. It was only by > > chance during lockdown she commented to a sales > > assistant that she had neither fridge or > freezer, > > and was immediately contacted by someone who > was > > getting rid of a fridge freezer. This kind > couple > > installed it in her new flat free of charge. > > > Yes, similar story. I met her looking very > confused in the shop as she was trying to work out > what she could buy that would last a few days > without refrigeration. Through nothing more than > posting on a mutual aid site on facebook, some > lovely people offered up a fridge and someone else > delivered it and installed it for her. The crisis > truly did bring out the best and worst in people. So true...sorts the wheat from the chaff doesn't it? At times like these little acts of human kindness makes such a difference.

Yes it doesn't look like Tart is reopening. I'm surprised by As Nature intended as they are part of a chain owned by Planet Organic so not cash poor. I never used them anyway for that reason as I prefer to support my local independent shops.

How on earth the government believe that people will self quarantine for 14 days when they return to the UK when they cant even get a grip on wearing a mask on public transporting shops or social distancing is beyond me. everyone will want to show off their suntans and hang out with their mates. many people in lower paid jobs are being told that they have to either take the quarantine as unpaid leave or holiday for those on zero hours contracts they will end up just going to work.

seenbeen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > All Southwark seem interested in is shutting down > roads and a bloody football stadium! True! I believe that all measures are in place for reopening. meanwhile I've been paying full membership all the way through lockdown.(as have many) very frustrating!

dontbesilly Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > drewd Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Don'tBeSilly, What's uncomfortable is a > ventilator > > shoved down your throat because you can't > breathe > > on your own. Congratulations to the "do-gooder" > in > > Coop for at least showing you that your selfish > > behaviour does not go unnoticed. > > > I dont care if people notice, but they ought to > not speak to me as they will get told exactly > where to go. If the people in danger of > coronavirus (those over 60 and/or with underlying > health conditions) insist on putting themselves in > danger by going to shops, then there is not much > we can do to help them. They can pick up > coronavirus just from touching anything in there. > Perhaps the shops should just ban these people > from entering and let the younger generation- > myself included, carry on living their life as > normal. I cant believe you are not a troll and actually mean what you are actually posting here. Do me a favour a post a picture of yourself on here so I can personally go up to you if I see you in one of the shops I go to (or on the train for that matter) and scream as loudly as possible at you for putting others lives in danger by refusing to wear a mask. I am over 60 and I work in a shop..I work in a shop because if i didn't go to work I wouldn't be able to live. Read up on Covid..it is not only the over 60's or those with underlying health issues that die or become seriously ill with the virus. Also there is NO guarantee that if you had it you are now immune or indeed that any form of immunity lasts longer than 3 months. Plus virus's evolve you could be immune to one strain but not the other. Your attitude sucks...do you SERIOUSLY think any of us like wearing a mask? do you seriously think that shop workers such as myself enjoy wearing them for sometimes as long as 12 hours a day? NO..I wear a mask to protect my loved ones (one of whom has asthma the other very elderly), I wear a mask to protect other workers and commuters. I really cant believe you're not a troll but if you're not...I pity you. life must be very lonely with an attitude like yours.

Its Killing the west end stores and restaurants and everyone who works in them is afraid for their jobs. not a great idea when people have just started to reopen and try to claw back some of their lost takings. No spenders in the west end after 7pm now just gangs of teenagers wandering about

my PT told me 4th August but that staff will be manning the phones from monday im desprate to get back in the gym!

Habitualbridesmaid Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If you saw them would you recognise them? > I saw three boys > One tall white wiry boy with longish brown hair. > White TShirt, second lad was shorter, much > stockier and quite fat, wearing black sweat hoodie > and pants, third lad was coloured with a light > brown skin. Quite skinny with glasses. > > I?ve reported it to police, 2 of them I?ve seen > around the ED area before and I?ve kept a wide > berth. The taller one mentioned something about a > knife which is what prompted me to walk to the > middle of the park. It?s not easy to avoid someone > when they ride directly at you. > > Sorry to hear about your experience. I probably would recognise them-it wasn't your lads. and thank you.

My Feeling is (cynical some may say) That the reason the government are making mask wearing mandatory in shops is so that when (not IF, WHEN) we have the 2nd wave because of all the idiots congregating in groups going on their holidays to spain etc etc There won't be another lockdown. Businesses cannot survive another lockdown therefore they can continue trading during the 2nd wave with the argument that 'staff and customers are wearing masks.

siousxiesue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I wonder if the system of ticket inspection can be > broadened to include spot checks for masks. I've actually spoken to BTP and TFL about this having seen large groups of people going through ticket barriers at the tube station not wearing masks and not being spoken to or refused entry. This was when a half a dozen BTP were stood nearby. I was told that they haven't actually been given any power to enforce the rule.

Habitualbridesmaid Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Done So glad you reported it! well done. I had 2 lads on bikes cycling round and round me sniggering cycling off then returning again with one of them cycling alongside me whilst his friend cycled round in circles-This was in the mid afternoon in east dulwich on the pavement (well one was on pavement the other mainly cycled in the kerb) Thinking I was about to be robbed I hugged my bag to me and rushed to the nearest bus shelter where I could see people-It really shook me up. I never reported it because in my case nothing actually happened aside from their behaviour being designed to make me feel uneasy and threatened..probably for their own amusement (scare the old woman) But It ruined my day shook me up and has put me off going for the walks in the area that I used to enjoy so much

dontbesilly Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What makes you think you are above the government > guidelines, and you can tell others what to do? It > remains peoples choice whether they wear masks or > not, with the exception of public transport. > > I never wear a mask, as i cant really be bothered > to have this thing on my face. I am young and fit > anyway so i have no fear of the virus. Anyone who > does would do well to avoid catching it by NOT > going to shops on 'the lane' and keeping yourself > safer like common sense would dictate. YOU may be young and fit and YOU may not be at risk of dying or becoming seriously ill. but how would YOU feel if as an asymptomatic carrier of the virus you passed it on to a single mother with underlying health issues and she died? how would YOU feel if someone fit and healthy and young like you carrying the virus whilst not wearing a mask passed it on to your grand parents or parents and one of them died or they passed it to your also young friend who due to his obesity ended up with organ failure in ICU? Its people with your attitude that are helping to spread this potentially killer disease. Dont be selfish-you could save lives.

sunshine_sunshine Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > JohnL and riddles, exactly! Just in case its > unclear (since the government has failed miserably > in articulating this message) MASKS PROTECT OTHERS > FROM YOU! So if you wear a mask in a shop, you are > showing other people around you respect for their > safety and doing a huge public service by not > inadvertently spreading the virus. It goes both > ways, shoppers should wear them for the workers, > and workers should wear them for the shoppers. > > I am 100% behind a petition to get EVERYONE to > wear masks where social distancing is not possible > but this is not a new idea. This has already been > raised but seems to have lost steam, aside from > the requirement on public transport: > https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/304397 > > The reason I feel it would be beneficial to get > local shop owners/workers on board is that I > believe some people will be more inclined to wear > a mask in shops if they see this as the norm with > local shop workers. I wear a mask in shops to > protect these people, and I started wearing one > early on because I saw shop workers wearing them. > I think the more we see it as the norm, the more > people will continue to take it seriously. Added > to this, I have stopped shopping at one ED > business because I felt extremely uncomfortable > with the staff of 6 or 7 cuddling up shoulder to > shoulder for a team photo op (within view of > shoppers waiting outside) just before opening for > a busy line of shoppers...the same establishment > has half the staff wearing masks and the other > half does not, hence should one unmasked worker > become sick they may inadvertently infect a whole > load of staff and shoppers. > > I don't think its a difficult decision, look at > the rest of the world they are requiring masks for > good reason, to keep each other safe! I've signed the petition but I feel its a hopeless case-Mask wearing is mandatory on public transport but there are not enough BTP to police this. Likewise as we all know GOVT cuts have seen a fall in the old 'bobby's on the beat' community support officers etc. Private security working for shops and stores won't want to put themselves in danger by confronting those not wearing masks (and likewise if my husband or family member worked as a security guard I would be very unhappy at their employer expecting them to confront non-mask wearers) I am a 60 year old woman of slight build I look my age but when I told a man on the underground to put his mask back over his nose and mouth after he got on train sat opposite me and immediately dropped it to below his chin he became extremely abusive, and flatly refused calling me a 'crazy f-ing bitch' and glaring at me with fists clenched ...I moved carriages at the next stop because I didn't feel safe-nobody defended me, nobody backed me up-and the man in question was a suit wearing estate agent type not some angsty youth.

seenbeen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The CDC one doesn't give measurements. I need > several and will not be able to wash them until > the end of the day so I would really need > disposables for 2 people for 4 days. Any > suggestions? I get them on Amazon-disposable ones and I have a few I can wash too but I like having a supply of disposable masks in my bag

edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I agree. Ideally everyone would wear them in > public but a huge number of people aren't wearing > them on public transport, which is supposed to be > compulsory, so good luck with trying to extend > it. > > KrackersMaracas Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I?d be more willing to get behind a petition > which > > requires shoppers to wear masks to protect shop > > assistants. You don?t wear a mask to protect > > yourself- you wear it to protect others from > you. Being a shop assistant I totally agree that shoppers should wear masks-I wear a mask at work through choice mainly to protect me from the shoppers who tend to be much more oblivious to personal space and the 2m rule than my colleagues and myself. I use the tube and overground daily and I find it shocking how many people dont wear masks and just get let through the barriers at the station walking past the staff whilst not wearing a mask and not being cautioned in any way. ditto people that get on the train and then remove their masks or wear them with thier nose uncovered. I find it actually upsetting that the ignorance of a few could ultimately lead to someone becoming seriously ill or dying.

Alec1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > RE. original post, face coverings on public > transport.... > > From TFL > > "Although the wearing of face coverings is > mandatory there is a long list of exemptions. > Drivers can't tell who is exempt (e.g. passengers > with breathing difficulties) and who isn't. They > can politely remind passengers that if they can > wear a face covering, they should do so; and they > can make announcements to remind passengers to > cover their faces.However, drivers have no > authority to enforce the wearing of face > coverings; that power lies with the police (who > can issue fines)". They need to issue badges like the 'please offer me a seat ' ones to be honest I'm suprised they didn't have them ready for the 15th june-they knew facecovings on public transport were sure to become mandatory but there seems to have been little joined up thinking

I haven't travelled on a bus but use overground and tube daily so I can only speak from experience of seeing busses go past-I think at that time you'll be fine. I leave home at 9am and the busses look far from packed and you will be travelling at a quieter time. certainly the 185 and 176 would be the ones I'd opt for as they travel an almost identical route from FH to Camberwell green and therefore will probably be emptier for your leg of the journey. Good luck on your appointment And I understand how nerve wracking public transport can feel after being on foot only for 10 weeks then suddenly finding myself having to brave public transport to get to work. A month in I'm still freaked by the amount of people not wearing masks (about 30-40% I'd say) but I'm masked and gloved and carrying hand sanitiser-I would advise you do the same.

alice Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > These are just photos of young people. Read on facebook-Theres are young people who Graffitti'd someone's home. These are young people who intimidate local residents These are young people who hang out until 5am creating noise and litter. One of the young people drove his moped at an 8months pregnant woman driving her off the path. These young people are making residents lives a misery.

lameduck Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I know > this is going off the thread somewhat, They say > the warm weather drys virus out > so it dies on surfaces, in the sun. So possibly > will slow transmission, for example > postman touching your gate, and your letter etc. > Whats worrying me, in the summer this will die > back > just like seasonal flu, And peoples attitudes, > especially the young, no masks, or face coverings, > gay abandon, riots. > high street open, we are all back to normal > It will just bounce back when weather changes, We > may be back in lockdown come October Totally agree-I work in a west end shop and theres an almost holiday atmosphere to the shoppers we have had through the door-ignoring social distancing (despite clear signage in place everywhere) most of them not wearing masks people milling in groups-my manager has advised shop floor staff to wear masks because the customers despite our best efforts seem oblivious to the fact the reason they are not in work and free to wander the shops is due to a global pandemic

I've just got in from work having used both overground and Jubilee line at 9am this morning and back via the London bridge train at 8.45 ish this evening. This 'Rule' is being ignored-on the station platform this morning about 50% of people weren't wearing masks. On the Jubilee line about half the people in my carriage just dropped the masks to their necks therefore leaving their noses and moths uncovered. Coming home this evening on the Jubilee line a guy sat opposite me and removed his mask-I told him to put it back on-his response "why?" I told him 40.000 people have died in this country thats why.. his response was to ignore me and sit with it hanging off one ear-At London bridge there were lots of staff in High viz stood by the barriers-They didn't stop anyone walking through to the platforms who wasn't wearing a mask-and trust me-there were several. like lockdown the face covering rule will fall apart within weeks-in fact it seems to be being ignored already. A 2nd wave is sure to come with peoples attitude being what it is towards this very serious invisible threat to life. If nothing is being done to enforce these simple rules.

All lives matter. In my ideal world there would be world peace where no one suffers due to colour or creed. We are all equal we all feel pain and all deserve love and compassion. One love one world

edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Social distancing has all but gone out the window > post-Cummings. Other countries have successfully > got on top of the virus with 1m. I read an > article saying that in Italy people were generally > exceeding the 1m rule. Says a lot about how > poorly our government handled the lockdown > measures and the entitled psyche in the UK > (specifically England.) I'm strongly against reducing the 2m rule. I'm working in central london and duce to the complacency of many (ie; man got on jubilee line today and removed his mask saying he was too hot) I'm convinced there will be a 2nd wave. people are becoming complacent-the 2m rule is not a rule as there is nobody to enforce it so we rely on peoples common sense. the 2m rule needs to stay because until they find a vaccine we are all in danger. As a country with the 2nd highest death toll in the world (beaten only by the vast USA) now is not the time to relax rules. This government went into lockdown 2 weeks later than they should have. And they are relaxing the rules too soon. When Dominic Cummings broke the rules and didn't resign or get fired this whole so called lockdown became a farce. I have several close friends who live in france and Italy and we did NOT have a lockdown like they had. Its a mess.

Out of interest was the car a blue car? If so I know where they have moved to but shall not give the location as I dont want them to feel hounded in any way.

UlStED Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We've just been to Dulwich woods and it's the same > there. Lots of drinks cans, glass bottles, single > use plastic inside dens that kids want to play in. > There was even some charred wood. Why anyone would > think it's a good idea to light a fire inside a > den in the woods at this exceptionally dry time is > just beyond me. Yes I noticed all the rubbish in the woods and also a burnt patch of earth that looked like someone had lit a fire. It really upset me...I love those woods they have brought me peace in these anxious troubled times and It scares me that someones stupidity could mean all of that is lost. Also in the Dulwich college playing field I saw several empty pizza boxes just lying on the grass where a group had obviously left them. We are privileged to have access to these amenities at this time-they have been a real lifeline for me and I dont get why some people are so careless as to not respect our open spaces.