Tony.London Suburbs

david_carnell Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Amen Mr. Carnell, your comments are neither desired NOR required.

Well Horsebox:. I wrote the following: Posted by: Tony.London Suburbs February 02, 10:30PM I'll be admirably succinct then. The NFL WRONGLY ASSumed that European Sports fans would take to their "Product" in significant numbers. The demise of the unlamented "NFL Europe" shows how much the overwhelming majority of fans care about their "Product". The NFL coverage has been dropped from many Channels due to lack of interest and yet their Marketing People STILL insist that if they continue to push it by showing the sport on mainstrean tv here that eventually it will "take off" and be more than a Minority Sport in Britain. They have underestimated the tremendous interest and enthusiasm that we possess for our own Sports and also, underestimated the fact that no amount of "USA Razzamatazz and Hype" will make British Sports fans follow their game "sheep-like" just because they want us to. Others will have to buy their merchandise. However, there IS one thing that we can learn from them, which is that they control their teams very well and stop a monopoly of the real talent just going to the teams that can pay the most under the system that you are well aware of. Also its a good idea to cap all wages, again giving a level playing field. They enjoy their game and good luck to them, equally we enjoy The Beautiful Game here. Now you seem exceptional dim Horsebox( Do allow me to get ONE small dig back won't you, Old Fruit)..so I am going to repeat that last paragraph written TWO DAYS AGO which was intended TO END THIS DIALOGUE! Here It Is Matey: However, there IS one thing that we can learn from them, which is that they control their teams very well and stop a monopoly of the real talent just going to the teams that can pay the most under the system that you are well aware of. Also its a good idea to cap all wages, again giving a level playing field. THEY ENJOY THEIR GAME AND GOOD LUCK TO THEM, EQUALLY WE ENJOY THE BEAUTIFUL GAME HERE.... I started that last paragraph by saying we could LEARN FROM THEM and finished, I'm sure you'll agree, on a very pleasant, natural and logical note to end to our discourse. Apart from a small joke about calling themselves The "World" Games, I was done with this thread. It is YOU Horsebox who is/was the real tos*er here M8.You continued the dialogue after I,(obviously unsuccessfully(!)) tried (and failed miserably) to put this to bed. You, Horsebox, had already displayed a totally inabilty to communicate about this without throwing in little digs and insults("ignorant"/"troll" were 2 of a few that I recall) so I responded. It was you that is the supercilious, smug, "oh-so-superior" "tremendous bore" here and like many with these particular characteristics they have no reason to adopt that demeanour at all. I had(so I thought) finished with this at 10.30AM on MONDAY! Now you are trying to give the impression you are the innocent Party:))....add "sneak" to supercilious and smug would you Old Thing...

Horsebox Wrote: Tony.London Suburbs Wrote: Not sure why on earth you'd want to know this, unless you were attempting some sort of idiotic, childish taunt related to my education. Just that over the Decades I've noticed a kind of Pseudo Trendy "type" that seem to want to follow this debacle. Just wondered if you fitted my perception of the stereotype, thats all HB:) So which one? Winchester College, Not Eton surely but maybe you are an Old Harrovian or perhaps attended Rugby, Charterhouse am I warm?

solstice Wrote: Do you remember the Nutland family, Susan Nutland went to St. Peters... Her Brother Peter was in my class from 1959/65 and we lived about 5 doors away from them, on the same side, further away from the top end of the road. These Guys all lived in the area .Do you remember any of these from that same Primary School year, 1965? Boys:Peter Nugland/Kenny Abrahams/Johnny Embleton/John Blackmore/Chris Blackie/Clifford Jones/Roy Parker/David Rowe/Robert Tutt/Peter West/Stephen Jewell/Terry Dunn/Gary Clarke/Dave Francis/David Locke/Tony Byerley/Alan CotterChristopher Cotton/Michael Pratt/Stephen Barber/Peter Syers/John Snelgrove/Stephen Sycamore/Paul Hodges/John Simmonds. Girls: Susan(s) Howard, Simpson, Heywood, Gloria Lane, Rita Abbs, Jeanette Szynacker (sp), Jane Mann, Christine Ridley, Yvonne McQuillan, Sylvia Bowley, Anne Whittle,Janet McKeown,Georgina Roffey,Lorraine Jolly. Well it was only 44 years ago:)) Or maybe Michael Horsman or Barry Andrews from Michael Faraday itself?

Brendan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Am I the only one who didn't understand a word of > that? Brendan: With respect you have to have a deep, meaningful understanding of the technicalities and subtleties and intricacies of the game lyke wot I got. Now please see Superbowl Thread....and you Wolfie:)

The Six Nations won't be as exciting as The NFL Superbowl on Sunday where an action packed Match reached its climax when the result hinged on a dramatic finale involving The Arizona Cardinals' final offensive play in the Super Bowl, a fumble by quarterback Kurt Warner, the play being called correctly. Kurt Warner reportedly questioned after the game why play wasn't stopped and a replay review wasn't done by the referee, feeling there was a possibility that the play should have been ruled an incomplete pass because Warner's arm was going forward. That, of course, would have enabled the Cardinals to retain possession of the ball at the 44-yard line of the Pittsburgh Steelers with five seconds remaining in the game. Mr. Rooney, The proud Owner of The Pittsburgh Steelers was delighted that his side won the Trophy for a record 6th time. Can you imagine how the SteelerNation felt all thru' Pennsylvania?:)

With respect you will only be "one of the boyz" and "officially joined the forum" when our kindly Administrator tells you firmly to stay "On Topic" or even sends you Private "PM's" to basically "Watch Your Step" THEN you will know that you have truly arrived. Come and meet me and BBW/???/Snorky and a few others in the "ever-so-slightly dangerous but nice Boyz corner":)-D

Penguin68 Wrote: Problem of our (imported) litigation culture, not helped by day-time ads offering no win no fees support from the legal sewers, or do I mean sue-ers? Exactly. Sean touched on this point in the "Peckham Rye Closed" thread by saying its not just The Council or other parties fault, sometimes its the fear of potential litigation.

Mikecg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Very Good Moos. you can't beat a bit of > originality. Yes, it was good Moos. MIKE: THAT WAS FANTASTIC M8!...just played "This Is It" which was superb Guitar playing from you! You are very talented and you have "officially" been added as a "Favourite"(!)>:D<

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Tony Tony Tony > > please please please for the love of Gaelic Sports, stop on this one. Point taken, but I'll think you'll find that most of my recent postings have purely been to react to comments directed towards me or certainly comments I had made. If people like the game of american football and you don't, by all means have a tease but you are increasingly belligerent, incoherent and starting to alienate. I take your point Sean, don't know where you got the impression that I don't like the game though:))

KalamityKel Wrote: I'm surprised it aint been locked ;-) Leave It Right Out Kelstar! We need less bureaucracy,red tape, controlling and interference not more! p.s "As it happens guys and gals" I think the balance is pretty good on here.

first mate Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Honk, actually many of us have black friends and > neighbours from "round here". The fact that you > view ED as an exclusively white enclave suggests > you need to get off your high horse and out more. Taking "offence" on behalf of others has become a Pastime with some (usually people who do NOT mix freely and regularly with the Guys that they are taking "offence" on behalf of)(!)

Otto Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > With the weather set to stay fairly cold, how > about if people salt/grit or clear the pavements > in front of their houses/flats? I hope to shovel > a bunch out of the way this evening as the sun is > shining, the temp is rising, and it will be a good > time to break up the ice...with all the old and > young and less steady walking down my road it > might be helpful... Good Idea!...just like 30/40 years ago when that was standard to take that personal responsibility, which then helped The wider Community, accordingly. > > c,mon group effort...let's go! > > otto

Horsebox Wrote: No need to shout, Sally. O.K. You have finally dragged me down Worzel...(see I can name-call to! How clever, we both are!" (Stay on Topic-Please Admin..) HB: You've been all over the place in this thread and your reason for not liking the game seems to change with every post > you make, hence, I don't get your point and you come across as doing nothing more than trolling. I have continued to make "additional" points. I'll now start to empthasise certain salient points as you seem slow to grasp them otherwise...::o HB: the NFL trying to overtake football and it being forced upon 'the little people of Britain'. Are you seriously implying that The NFL would not want Worldwide dominance to market their product if they were able to achieve it? p.s. Back to Snorky's point, allow me to ask: "Public School" in your case Horsebox?

dc Wrote: The Americans who already have a game they call 'football' use the term 'soccer' to distinguish between two sports.... ....and yet Europeans who already have a game they call "football" use the correct term when describing The USA sport... p.s.I note that Betfair (the Main Betting Site) now refer to The Beautiful Game as "football" where, until fairly recently, they referred to it as "soccer" bizarrely, as it is, primarily, a UK Based Site...

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ...or "Citizen Smith" Don't think East Dulwich is ready for a Revolution yet Quidsy! It will catch on though..I know some Peeps from The Elephant and Castle, where I used to live, are revolting...

Applespider Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And FIFA do the same in the US attempting to make > the Americans like soccer despite it being > considered a game that kids and girls play over > there. > > I'm well aware how many Brits are passionate about > regular football - probably about as many > blue-collar workers in places like Cleveland and > Detroit love their NFL games - since I've not > lived my entire life in the sheltered environs of > ED. I've even been to a few games myself. ;-) > > What I don't understand is why there's an > antagonism that the NFL are trying to extend their > market. I don't think there's an serious > expectation that any minority sport will overtake > the ruling one (be it football, American football, > Aussie rules, rugby in its respective stronghold) > but surely there's room for other games to be > watched and played across the world. The Brits > have been guilty of that in terms of rugby and > cricket too. > > It is one thing that I don't like about the > British fascination with soccer; there ends up > being too much coverage of that to the detriment > of other sports in the UK. You rarely see other > sports mentioned unless there's some international > competition but the papers will report what a > Premiership player ate for breakfast and consider > it news. That doesn't help the grass-roots level > of other sports and the UK's sporting future. Say > what you like about American sports but they have > a wider range of sports for kids to choose to play > and watch than we do. Not every kid is designed > to gracefully dribble a ball - at least in > American football, there's a position for most > shapes and sizes! > > Some of the little people of Britain might be > saying 'No, I'm not interested' but equally, there > are some of us who are interested. There will be > other little British people saying they don't like > soccer, others saying they don't like soap operas, > others that don't like ballet, others that don't > like cherry tomatoes but no-one's calling for all > those things to be put into Room 101 never to be > seen again. We just get on and ignore the things > in life we don't like and learn to be tolerant of > those who like em. Its good to communicate with someone who doesn't say you're "ignorant" or think things are "a little queer" or implies you're a "troll" as one has a differing view. Maybe others could learn from your postings Applespider.:) Very good post above I have to say.....I also have to say that if YOU or anyone else calls our Beautiful Game of ASSOCIATION FOOTBALL "Soccer" then I can't be held responsible for my actions(!)(6):))

I was only 5 when I left as I was just about to start Michael Faraday but went to St.Peters, Liverpool Grove instead, as My Family moved to "Harry Hinkins House" one of 2 2-Floor Blocks behind Marks and Spencer in Trafalgar Street(Cadiz St.). Our house was halfway down on the right before the little passage at the end that took you to the next street behind us which was Westmoreland Road, where our Aunt backed onto our house. We lived next door to "Lsura/Ernie and Rodney", and My Mum and Dad were called Bill and Kit, but I don't know the number!

Jah Lush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Indeed but I've still got some left over from > Christmas. Do you want one? Yes Please..Is that a Date then?

Peckham native Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The best bit of Superbowl > > serious slide Agreed! Unlike some of the NFL Players Springsteen WAS Born To Run:))

solstice Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I used to live in Faraday St until it was > demolished, Dr. Crane was my doctor for years. He > was a very good doctor, never got fobbed off, and > I never came out thinking that was a waste of > time. Its very sad news, my mother who is 83 will > be upset when I tell her. Do you remember Dr.Dyson his Working Partner solstice? Did you go to a local Primary School there? I used to live in Faraday Street also, then the bulldozers came(6)

Applespider Wrote: What's with all the haters? It's on at 11.30 on a Sunday night so unlikely to be stopping live coverage of anything interesting and not exactly primetime family viewing. It's not being forced down your throat and given that the BBC showed it last year, they must have got sufficient viewers to make it worthwhile them showing it this year. If you don't like the game, don't watch it and don't buy any merchandise. Applespider, please don't get me wrong. In general I love most things about The USA, be it the positivity, energy and hospitality of most of its people.:)-D Its just that the NFL have been trying to project their game to us for nearly 20 years now and ultimately, if they had their way, it would eclipse our National Game. Its like the "Little" people of Britain saying "No!" we won't get sucked in when we have the finest League in the true World game which is Football. You may very well not fully realise this if you reside in East Dulwich but go a little further and you will see how so many Brits are very passionate about our National Sport, particularly in Working-Class Areas, where itsa Religion, almost.:)

Horsebox Wrote: TLS, I still don't get your point and I've just noticed a sign next to this thread that says "Don't feed the Trolls"... Absolutely PATHETIC M8!...someone takes issue with your choice of Sport, explains several times why and they must be a Troll. Truly Risible.

matthew123 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My only criticism would be how on earth teams, > sorry franchises, are allowed to decamp to another > part of the States ... and leave their fanbase > behind, it's crazy! > > Arizona Cardinals were once the St Louis Cardinals > and before that the Chicago Cardinals - it's just > not right! THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT! Its about the "Hard Sell" and selling as much merchandise as possible and Revenue at the expense of their original Fan Base. Many Clubs could not give a Fan about their "existing" fans and would move if a better commercial opportunity arose. How would you feel if you supported one of their Teams, in the full knowledge that they might "upsticks" without a backward glance?..No Soul or Heart at all just $$$$$$ and trying to extend the interest for one reason only...to make more $$$$ Lovely.

Health and Safety? You don't know how much that infuriates me as only yesterday I was amongst hundreds in Oxleas Woods, Eltham watching the kis and dogs have the greatest fun. Every type of device was used to sledge down the hill and I thought "this Country ain't so bad when all these people can have so much innocent fun and be so adventurous with their improvisations and no "H and S" Czar can spoil it! Absolute Rotten B*****s:X