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As I think we eventually agreed in this thread, http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,391522, Oyster PAYG used properly is going to be cheaper than paper tickets, and it solves your destination problem as well. Any National Rail zone 1-2 journey is going to be 2.10/1.70 on-/off-peak, and you don't have to make any advance decision. Southern do season tickets as well. Brockley or ED to London Terminals are both 14.40 for a weekly, according to http://tickets.southernrailway.com/sn/en/JourneyPlanning/SeasonMixingDeck.

I'm wondering in what circumstances this can happen, and guess you are buying a day return at Peckham Rye and then thinking of returning to ED. If that's so you could always, to avoid any doubt and possibility of a penalty fare, just buy a ticket covering you from/to ED. I don't know how, in the real world, an inspector would deal with the apparent technical breach of travelling to ED on a PR ticket. You could try asking on Usenet uk.transport.london, where there are some experts. Or even the next inspector you meet.

TSRGD 2002 paragraph 4 (Interpretation - general) http://www.opsi.gov.uk/SI/si2002/20023113.htm seems to include a definition of a Controlled Parking Zone and the various ways in which it can be signed. The diagrams themselves are in a schedule at the end.

"It's an ill worm that has no turning." - Vanessa & Virginia Stephen

tomchance Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've also noticed TfL never suggest using the 37, > more so than other odd suggestions it sometimes gives I've just tried it on East Dulwich Grove to the Green Man, Putney (the 37 terminus). The direct route, nominal 50 minutes, was the third offered. Next best was twice the time. But the commentary did warn of possible severe delays due to both gas and water main roadworks. At its best, very early morning, it can be a nice 35 minute journey

Penguin68 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Amazon deliveries > > I was told by the guy at the counter in Sylvester > Road today that they have a shed load of Amazon > stuff to deliver; it will be going out today > (Saturday) and tomorrow ... > Thought you might like to know Did he give any indication of when the shedload began arriving in ED, or how far back the postings dated to? I'm not exepcting anything, but I am curious about their queuing policy and data.

zephyr Wrote:> > These delays meant it was 1 hour and 46 minutes > between swiping in and swiping out at Elephant. > There must be a time limits on certain journeys as > with would not let me swipe out at elephant - so I > was charged the maximum fare of ?6. I phoned to > get a refund yesterday. The maximum journey times are at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/oysteronline/12421.aspx#Maximum_journey_times In an ideal world, a system would, I suppose, be collating swipe-time data with that for actual travel times, and making automatic corrections. I can understand why that's not the case, but it does put the onus squarely on the passenger to check their transactions, and query them if need be.

So what do you then buy to counter any ill effects of compressing your viscera, blood vessels, etc?

> but still no sign of two magazine subscriptions. My latest Private Eye, due Wed 6/1, didn't arrive until Mon 11/1. The one due 11/11/09 didn't arrive at all. I had been thinking of starting a thread just to log these, usually predictable, benchmark mail deliveries, in the hope getting some clues as to where specifically in the postal system any such losses or delays were happening.

1968, welding machine operator in a factory making shock absorbers. Standing on a palette in front of two huge high tension machines (the thermionic valves in them were the size of a small TV, iirc). Pick up prepared tube and base, insert in rig, secure, press start button, wait till done, remove, place in quenching bin of water, pick up prepared .... A 70 second cycle, I think, repeated for eight or more hours. I managed twenty weeks before getting signed off sick. The smell in the men's lav was extraordinary and particularly unpleasant. It didn't seem quite organic. I've no idea really what it was, but I remember thinking then that it was what happened when people's systems absorbed various industrial fumes all day.

DaveR Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It seems that judges are not generally keen, which is as it should be. And the preconditions are fairly stringent too. There must be a real and present risk of interference with a jury, evidenced by such as jury-tampering in a previous hearing, and a likelihood that it would happen again, even in the face of protective measures. In this case there seem to have two previous attempts to subvert the jury, and the Appeal Court was satisfied, after hearing evidence, that even the more stringent of two proposed sets of protective measures -- at least 82 police officers attached to the task over a period of at least six months, costing ?6m+ -- would still not be enough to address the problem of interference via the jurors' families. The Appeal Court's judgment is here: http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2009/1035.html

No, not at all.

Nero Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It isn't a personal point of view. This man was > speaking in an official capacity. Which is what? Why not be explicit?

I don't know where you've copied the opinion from, and there's nothing I want to say against it, but it's a personal response isn't it, rather than an 'official' one.

There are also two trains an hour from Peckham Rye to Catford (journey time 8 mins), and you can pick up a bus outside the station. But I hope you can get back on a cycle.

I agree with OutOfFocus. From http://www.southernrailway.com/tickets-and-fares/ticket-types/oyster-card/, comparing single tickets with Oyster PAYG: Adult single fares (standard**): Zones Ticket PAYG Peak PAYG Off-Peak 2-1___2.40_____2.10_____1.70 3-1___3.10_____2.60_____2.00 4-1___3.70_____3.10_____2.30 5-1___4.40_____3.90_____2.60 6-1___5.00_____4.90_____3.20 [Edited for better layout. Next time I'll use HTML> :(] I'd choose to use my Oystercard for all TFL area journeys when not using my Freedom Pass.

There's an 06.42 direct from ED to Wimbledon (arr 07.01), and then a 93 (or other bus) to S Wim. Also lots of taxis at the station. That said, I've noticed too many FCC trains cancelled recently to abdolutely rely on it. Or 06.20 Peckham Rye (via Denmark Hill) to Clapham High Street (arr.06.28). Then a short walk to Clapham North for Northern line to South Wimbledon. Alternatively 37 bus to Clapham North, then Northern line to South Wim, but don't know how the weather is affecting buses. Failing that, I'd think getting to London Bridge, then Northern line, would have least risk of effects on timetables of bad weather.

If you're on PAYG, you don't have to get an OEP. They're for travelcard holders who want to leave their paid-for zones via National Rail. The NR operating companies want to protect their revenue: a significant number of NR stations don't/won't have electronic gates.

> and as ticket machines have never sold extensions I've always had to queue > at the office or when that has been closed I have to hope In one of the current threads on the topic in Usenet uk.transport.london newsgroup, someone does mention "OEPs rapidly becoming available on automatic ticket machines across London".

One of Jack Rosenthal's: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084459/

Ladymuck Wrote: > Yes but there's a difference between having one's irises/fingerprints checked and having ones > bosoms/fanny scrutinized! No? Er, I believe one can be uniquely identified by one's fingerprints (and maybe irises?).

And if the removal tool isn't wholly successful, it's a fairly common problem, and there's a corresponding amount of advice floating around on the web, including more hands-on stratagems that are claimed to help. You don't say what exactly is happening when you try shutting Norton down and running the uninstall. Have you definitely, as Mockney advised, closed down the program before trying the uninstall? I would in any case definitely double check, using the Task Manager or similar, that all Norton processes have beeen shut down. So check not only its Programs page, but also the Processes one. I don't know the Norton file names, but you may find them in the Norton Program Files folder.

Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Got mine on my sixtieth birthday. > > I think at present it is sixty five for men but > not sure. No, sixty. We have won some equality, you know.

Your computer might even have its own built-in modem, in which case, with a phone line, cable, and a fax application like the one that comes with Windows, you can at least send faxes direct from your computer fairly easily.

Edited: Warning: this thread apparently refers to a fictional character in an American TV series, shown this year on BBC2 and also available on DVD.