Agree that the Harvester certainly has it's place. I've been there for large family gatherings with lots of kids and can't imagine any other local place catering so well for that (not even the Herne) Whilst accepting the misgivings of some on the forum who knew the place as a proper pub before it became a Harvester, I think much of that is due to it's location - ie the last pub on the Lane before the long trawl to Forest Hill or West Dulwich. This meant that people up this end (Upper East Side? or Southsides of ED) were rather badly off for pubs until we had the (new)Plough. Still, looking at how popular it is, the Grove Tavern certainly serves a purpose. citizen