Well quids I have now said that I have had 100% success with all my grads qualifying. (tu)I have also instigated dept meetings etc despite much reluctance on the part of others and they are still happening after 10 years (tu)- I think that what you mean. But other things like patience, interest in people are not measurable.I am not going down the crying in the toilets bit! I googled skills based cv and that was really interesting- I had not heard of that and it makes much more sense . Modern job applications are pretty souless on the www. Especially if you haev not had to apply for a job for 20 years... Thanks everyone,especially Tuffy.