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Well I still recycle, walk, take the bus, train, mostly vegan etc. You are right though, only certain 'neighbourhoods' matter to this flawed Council. My neighbourhood was an LTN today as school half term and road closed for resurfacing..... fresh, clean air for a day...no traffic noise...if only I was a wealthy 3 vehicle, 2nd home owning, Gilkes Crescent, 2.5 Mil house owning resident, I could have access to clean air and low noise pollution all the days of the year. A LP Council benefiting the wealthy.. sad days indeed.

Exactly - a perfect example of smearing anyone with an opposing position by intimating they are anti-vaxers, Trumpians, misguided, climate-deniers, far-right etc. Rather than the teachers, Mums, health-workers etc. who travel by bus, foot, cycle and train - who's daily life has become far worse due to idling traffic, pollution and longer bus journeys because of these poorly planned LTNs. LTNs by the way on roads that are car-storage for the wealthiest people in ED. 15 minute... the 37 bus now takes so long to travel down ED Grove it has added more than 15 minute's to a daily journey to work.

Only LEDs allowed in Dull-wich.

I have had them in holiday let’s, and the child in me loves a bit of flame and heat, but once you understand the cellular pathology connected to particulates it is a very dangerous pleasure and very selfish too. I hadn’t really noticed the smell in ED but they must have been burning some green wood in Melbourne because although it psychologically smelt of childhood bonfire nights it triggered my first asthma attack of the year. I suppose I also connected it to the LTN argument as well, surely if we are supposedly encouraging active travel, we should be banning or at least regulating such a polluting and lethal activity?

Southwark Councillors have definitely painted One Dulwich as Conservative activists, so they can dismiss the questions and concerns from residents. This is a ploy used by many who promote road closures. A group of left leaning, different ethnicities women on Twitter, including teachers, other professionals and clean air activist Mums, with children suffering from asthma have noticed that they are told on a regular basis, usually by young, white male cyclists or Southwark/Lambeth/Hackney Councillors that they are... Mis-informed, easily-led, right-Wing, Covid deniers, anti-vaxers, climate-change deniers and various ways of calling them stupid. It’s a ploy, by smearing people or classifying them as thinking in some self-serving or unpopular political choice then the person discussing the points being made is attacked to detract from the fact the point or question is not addressed. Southwark Council seem particularly well versed on using this ploy, when the question or point becomes too difficult to answer or an action too difficult to defend - then they attack the messenger personally. I don’t know what Helen said myself, I’m very left wing, definitely more left wing than the current Labour Party or this diabolical Labour Council and I support almost all of One Dulwich’s points and disagree on some. Helen should engage, it’s a valid group with a mix of political views and a high number of elderly and less mobile residents.

"The dangers posed by wood burners in urban areas have become increasingly clear in recent years. Emissions from wood burners result in almost £1bn in health costs a year and are responsible for nearly half the cancer risk caused by urban air pollution." https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/feb/14/wood-burning-air-pollution-uk-doubled-decade. So - where can you smell them being used. I only started this thread as the smoke coming from one on Melbourne Grove South was triggering my asthma. Should they be banned in urban areas, or regulated in some way?

Maybe other builds should be completed first..such as the diabolical mess on East Dulwich Grove - with demolished buildings and a half-built School

The big flaw in all this data is not measuring increases in congestion. The pneumatic traffic counters are useless at this - even the manufacturers of these counters state they should not be utilised on roads where traffic idles or travels under 20km/hr. I do wonder if the counters on ED Grove count any of the morning traffic, that travels below 10Km/hr. At the moment with Townley rd -ED Grove road works it is lethal out there with car fumes, triggered my asthma this morning walking to Herne Hill Station, who knows what damage it is doing to all those young lungs on the school run. Southwark Councillors should be ashamed - not seen any of them on ED Grove since the last local election....have disappeared - much like the traffic hasn't.

It hasn't changed behaviour, car journeys taking children to school are getting longer, congestion in London has increased. We need better local public transport, schools within walking distance of the cohort and better cycling infra-structure, but making the bus routes on Croxted Rd and ED Grove unbearably long - which TFL have reported is entirely due to LTNs on non-school , car storage roads - isn't the answer.

Yep - 'my journey in a car is necessary and my car storage is appropriate - but yours isn't' ..... followed by pictures of children on bikes.

Great idea - why will it not happen? Car storage for the wealthy privileged few. Labour Council humph.

That's such a thoughtful act. I hope your daughter is ok.

Good public transport means the ability to take kids, shopping, dog.... etc. on transport that is clean, easily accessible and travels to and from where people want to go. If I remember rightly the good people of Calton Avenue didn't want a bus with us plebeians on it spoiling the look of their road... same for Gilkes. Melbourne Grovers ..... pressurised Southwark and LT to stop the 37 bus ruining their lovely rd. Funny isn't it. But owning 3 cars and 'demanding' a closed rd is apparently fine.

Car ownership is higher inside the LTNs than outside. Maybe LTNs should have no street parking, except for disabled bays...... methinks that might make some 3-car-owning gated community advocates rethink their position. I'm for free at the point of use public transport - funded by higher taxes for the Uber-wealthy and getting rid of the tax breaks for private schools. LTNs just benefit the wealthy and we all know it really...

Most of the boundary roads are traditional Labour strongholds, so even a dip in the vote will not matter . The gated rds are in swing seats, so they may vote Labour to keep their car storage and to keep their right to pollute my rd with fumes and noise while their rd is quiet and unpolluted. Which rd had their community garden taken away from them - a boundary rd. Which rd with access to a huge park was given a ‘square of shame’ an LTN rd in a swing seat. It’s obvious really.

There is some interesting data about car ownership inside LTNs and on boundary roads coming out of the last census- the main drift being a much higher car ownership inside than on boundary rds where residents complain of longer queues of idling traffic and slower bus journeys. So- after my drama-rama I decided to partake of some mini-research and asked a friend living in the closest LTN to me to look at her 3 neighbours one side and 3 the other and count adults and cars across those 7 (including hers) properties. So.... Outside LTN - 21 adults in 7 properties (mainly flats) and 4 cars Inside LTN - 14 adults in 7 properties (large semi-detached) and 15 cars Unscientific.....but quite interesting.

Long day at work is my only excuse...I was going to delete but then thought it was quite funny in a crazed sort of way. Sorry everyone. Back to LTNs I was wondering when the measures to reduce pollution on Croxted, LL and ED Grove were happening? Wasn’t there going to be ‘green’ fencing? And what happened to the exercise at looking at a dedicated bike lane.

The early Blair Government was prepared to do what? What actual practical endeavours was it really going to do? Propped up by Murdoch... what do you think? The only way to stop polluting the planet is to stop multi-national companies making short term profit and as long as the public blindly like zombies believe the **** they are shovelled daily.. fossil fuels will be dug, consumerism encouraged and light palliative policy put in place so we all carry on thinking that recycling our plastic makes any difference at all.

it's gone wrong! Yep ... we all in truth know that ...... but many clinging on to the fundalmentalist zombie line ........ LTN GOOD, public transport BAD...... LTN GOOD...... public transport BAD..... cyclist GOOD.....disabled BAD.....cyclist GOOD...... OLD people BAD....

Change hearts and minds..... sounds like a quote from Rish! No - have kids going to local schools that are accessible by public transport, walking and cycling - and close private schools and put that charitable money into excellent local state education. Actions matter - not words. (and actions that actually have a wider impact - rather than benefitting the richest few..)

As usual your assumption that I think double parked cars a a ‘good thing’ is in your brain and not in mine. Yes, discourage illegal and dangerous parking - I would be very pleased if Southwark and the private schools enacted that on ED Grove. The issue is that just like Southwark Council’s bumbling and ineffective changes to roads and junctions across the years, these bollards are ugly, dangerous for anyone with a visual impairment and a poorly thought out option. Street trees by the side of the road, would have been attractive, green and not posed a danger to pedestrians. The ugly barriers and street furniture barricades of the Village junction and the continued messy confusion of the Townley Rd, ED Grove crossing (designed by a mate of the Council and a private gated road enthusiast) show a lack of any real planning or thinking. I suppose it’s all about putting one’s career on track for a highly paid job with a private construction company or the greasy pole of politics.

Absolutely - sounds great - maybe our hard-working councillors can pick this up and think about a lovely community asset?

East Dulwich Grove is daily polluted and has to put up with pavement and poor parking by selfish parents driving private school kids to JAGs/Alleyn's during term time - but Southwark and the Schools have done zilch/ nothing/ zero to make this issue go away - in fact is worse than I have ever known across 35 years of living here - now with added terrible coach parking by both private and new state school. Satisfied?

These bollards must be a hazard to anyone with visual impairment. They could have planted trees near the road, so not impeding pedestrians - but instead these ugly bollards - just reminded me of Southwark's inability to make the street architecture more attractive and it's inconsiderate attitude to disability in terms of travel/transport and the main mode of transport in EDulwich - walking. I suppose if it was in EDulwich there would be the additional hazard of discarded Lime bikes and e-scooters.

There is evidence that flu vaccine is protective against the worst effects of Covid https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01315-9 Anything that 'pokes' the immune system actually activates responses, so J and B are very much off the mark.....