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KalamityKel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Why are so many of you being aggressive? > If you don't agree with the celebrations, good on > you. If you love the spirit of the nation, good > on you. Um...OP was the start of this thread...not being ?aggressive? just responding to their moan..

My community spirit centres around volunteering at a food bank and giving a percentage of my salary to a homeless charity, sorry for believing being a patriot is what you do for others rather then celebrating huge amounts of money wasted on flag-hugging.

So glad it?s back....enjoy all the public art in E Dulwich/Dulwich.

I suppose if we lived in Russia or North Korea, then we could all be forced to wave flags and bow to the state...maybe all the shop owners should be publicly shamed and possibly some enforced punishment. I quite like the queen...but have avoided celebrating a family that owns far too much land so they can shoot things and have a history of imprisoning their own family members with mental health issues, avoiding tax and laws enforcing employment equality.

I haven't seen anything on Twitter or any other medium from any of my local Councillors about bus service reduction, I have seen lot's of communications about how Wonderful the Council is and pictures of councillors pointing at social housing they are building (which turns out to not be social housing) and how they were victorious against their own residents on Croxted and ED Grove. Here is Medact's take on buses Increasing publicly owned zero-carbon public transport is key to a Green New Deal that reduces air pollution, improves public health and reduces inequality. Bringing buses back into public ownership in cities like Reading has enabled money to be recycled into the community, improving services and the local environment. You can read the whole excellent document of REAL Green policy rather than Southwark's Greewashing policy of demolition, building on green spaces and the other 'thing' here: https://stat.medact.org/uploads/2021/04/The-public-health-case-for-a-Green-New-Deal-MEDACT-April-2021.pdf

This isn?t the dashboard it?s just an ATC report from one point on EDG for Jan. I?m not sure now they have ?victory? over people living on polluted boundary roads, that Southwark will bother to report on pollution and congested traffic. I write this while looking at queuing, polluting traffic outside of my home.

The 'dashboard' is 4 months old...it probably will never be updated and pollution and traffic monitoring will cease as now apparently the pro-LTN closed road lobby have 'won' and 'victory' is theirs. I return from a break, to my road and immediately have an asthma attack... glory be the Unicorn of evaporating traffic on ED Grove.

If people had bothered to ?dissect? the effects of thalidomide, or the Bristol TGA switch surgery many deformities and deaths may have been avoided. Why wouldn?t anyone want data scrutinised.... seems very lazy and rather dim to me.

It would be interesting research to find out why people might drive a short journey rather then walk/cycle/catch a bus. In medicine we usually try to understand why something is happening before flinging 'cures' at the problem. Maybe Southwark could fund that research? As I say... my friends scattered around South, East and North London do not drive in London, but I know a few people in ED who drive short journeys - one to JAGs sports centre (prob a 20 min walk) and one to Sainsburys (I personally like to walk through the back via Greendale). I would like to know why they make that choice. I think the thread should stay, sadly EDF may go anyway :( and we may have to put up with the Troll - who by the way I do not think is in anyway representative of any pro-LTN campaigners or supporters - and maybe we carry on thinking about where we go from here to actually improve the environment and lives of all residents in this area.

Context is all "In 2020 there was a sharp decline in average miles (-33% to 4,334 miles), trips (-22% to 739 trips) and hours travelled (-27% to 269 hours) compared to 2019, all having the lowest on record during a year when the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic resulted in restrictions on people?s travel."

My friends don't drive at all in London and don't own a car..I'm not sure they even have a licence.. in fact I'm struggling to think of any of us driving in London.

Across the Uk ...this is correct, but the mean average is a poor statistical method of looking at behaviour and is in isolation of local factors. In rural areas there is very, very poor PT. Try living in Lincolnshire without a car! In Dulwich/ED there has been a very high amount of active travel locally for years - the issue here is schools really. I'm not sure the conversion rate of local car journeys to active travel will be high in DV/ED because so many of us already choose walking - why? Because except for those horrid congested hours in the morning, it's a lovely place to walk, just a shame that me, kids going to schools have to walk in a car fume fog.. E-bikes are a brilliant way to travel, but rural areas really need an investment is buses/ trains. Maybe kids who travel actively or by PT pay lower fees than those chauffeured to school in the Porsche Cayenne or the BMW X7... in these times I find spending 100 grand on a car pretty disgusting, especially when parked illegally on EDG with the engine running..

I have been to Oystermen... everything was tooooooooooo salty, we sent a salad back twice because it was like drinking seawater, but I intend to give Walter's a go. At least they might not charge us for an undelivered beer as Franca Manca did the other day... compounded by blaming the Uber driver..

Thanks admin? an insight indeed. So not to labour this, there is a quote from Dulwich/E Dulwich Streetspace that the latest TFL data is showing traffic in the ED/ Dulwich area rising to pre-pandemic numbers, which seems to make the other piece of information that traffic has now dropped by 21,000 (not really been given across which dates or exactly where). So apart from my quantum theory, can anyone explain?

Unfortunately LL is going the way of Dulville Village..as long as a place can entertain a quick meal for the kiddies in buggies and their exhausted parents, it thrives in mediocrity. Kartuli is great, different and excites me every time I go there and some of the cafes further up have some good breakfast/lunch choices. Oru space is great but is breakfast and lunch. Franklin's still holds it's own. Franca Manca and Yama Momo have dropped in quality. The curry houses are all just curry houses. God I long for some food experience that is better than the food I can cook at home... The adults have left and it's just an extended nursery as far as I can tell.

There was a golden age of restaurants and cafes - independents on the Lane... now there is only one I would recommend. I think ED may have eaten itself. Dulville Village restaurants have always been awful... good for a month and then just poor as people put up with mediocre. My view of course...others may rate many institutions.

Yes legal..I agree. I will look that book up.

It isn't gaslighting (which refers to the act of undermining another person?s reality by denying the environment around them, or their feelings), but I do agree with you.. I actually think if some of these actions were enforced a little better, so parents parking on double yellows, pavements and in no parking zones..cycling on pavements and speed restrictions that would all be great. I would urge everyone to push for better pollution monitoring though.. and for improved PT.

Ha ha... I know, it's a break from marking dissertations... You know EDF is great isn't it. A historical document of neighbourly irritation, acts of kindness and lost cats!

First mate..I told you "quantum traffic count" can be both increased and decreased, and in two places at once. But yes - can someone really explain to us...please?

'I have no idea what you think and I really wouldn?t like to see inside your brain, or anyone else?s, to discover what they?re thinking. I only have your choice of words which have created an impression.' Well I suppose one could listen to Rahx3 when they say impressions and perception do not matter - only facts, I don't actually agree with them by the way. Well in the spirit of neighbourly love, I apologise if I have given you an impression to make you think I hate, dislike or think anyone in this thread is an enemy, despite me having a differing opinion to them. i have told you what I am thinking, I don't consider anybody to be my enemy or foe, in fact I believe that ignorance of oneself is the only enemy, and the uncontrolled emotions that arise from that ignorance.

the trouble is it isn't a case of 'However it has to be forced - people have to see that walking or scooting for 5 mins to school is better than sitting in a car for 10 mins and it takes time for that to penetrate' Local active travel is incredibly high already in Ed DV. Because they do walk and cycle to school if living close by - Charter school kids almost all by PT - it's the wide catchment area of certain schools and I'm afraid to say certain demographic of parents - large BMW, Volvo, Mercs bring the precious ones to Alleyn's and JAGs. I pass them parked on Half moon Lane - park car, get precious one out with scooter and do the last 4 mins by 'active travel' or the pavement parkers on EDG with the engine running for the air-con in Summer and the heater in Winter.... Charter School kids know what a bus is...

Exdulwicher Road pricing seems a great idea, until one starts to think about inequality, so like ULEZ the rich will be able to drive and the less well off will not, so there is an inequality issue. I suppose if tied up with really excellent public transport. Ideally public transport entirely paid through taxation so free at the point of use, then the very wealthy would pay more tax for a free at the point of use service? Everyone will jump on that bus! I wouldn't have any private schools - that would immediately get rid of that one, so all children go to excellent local, publicly funded schools, in the meantime take charitable status away unless 80% of children come by PT, coach or active travel. And stop digging up fossil fuels.. But then I'm a very green, very lefty, lefty.

So Jenjenjen - 1. I do not think you or any pro-LTN activist is my enemy, but you tell me that is what I think. Do you not consider that to be trying to get me to question my own reality? 2. I would not use the word 'Victory' as in the post from pro-LTN Duncan in the post above at 11;12am as I do not think their are any enemies ('Even if the forum continues, which I hope it does, there must come a point when this dialogue across its many threads becomes redundant. You would think that point would have been the overwhelming victory of the pro-LTN councillors in the election last week.. but maybe we need to allow a bit of time for the reality to settle in') 3. Are you going to help other neighbours on the non-LTN roads to pressure Southwark to monitor peak pollution, be guided by the recent WHO clean-air quality guidelines and come up with solutions to reduce congestion and pollution on these residential roads 4. I am interested in your views about LTNs, opposing or otherwise about air quality and monitoring of pollution, in fact anything to do with LTNs in East Dulwich, but posts about what you think I think isn't quite the same..is it Many thanks back.

No the language I use is not describing anyone as my enemy, but that is what you are telling everyone and me. In fact when I say I don't think you are my enemy, you come back telling me that is what I think. It is classic gaslighting and again -well done for such an excellent example. Maybe if there had been a referendum and the LTNs were proved to be unpopular by the majority and I had claimed 'victory' over my pro-LTN neighbours - I think you would have a very strong justification to say that I thought my pro-LTN neighbours were my 'enemy'. I think that the pro-LTN policy that the Dulwich and ED LTNs reduce traffic and pollution remains unproven and that on my road and Croxted it has in fact contributed to increased congestion and pollution at peak hours, that has increased from pre-LTN times. I would like congestion and peak pollution levels NOx, PM 2 and PM 10 measured in Charter School sports ground, Tessa Jowell grounds and along EDG. I don't think my neighbours are my enemy, I would just like them to help other neighbours on the non-LTN roads to pressure Southwark to monitor peak pollution, be guided by the recent WHO clean-air quality guidelines and come up with solutions to reduce congestion and pollution on these residential roads - how about it Jenjenjen?