Mick Mac

As a relatively recent joiner I have not got a clue what this refers to - but I'm sure its a good read - where can I find it? Or is it best left.

Well Ted Max - with your posts on this thread tonight and mine on the Football Focus thread - the anglos really are being given a lesson on how scottish teams led europe and the world in the 60s. I'm sure they will all thank us for this education. My question would be: In the 1977 European Cup final, Phil Neal scored a penalty, who brought whom down for the penalty award?

There is a recent thread about JAGS which has a pool and gym. If you do a search you will find it.

Did the famous 5 and their wags once holiday in Brazil? is that the link?

Hibs team of the 1950s or 1960s had the famous five - the second part must be the brazil 1970 world cup final goal. If those two parts are correct then I have no idea of the connection....someone else will have to get that. Might phone a friend though.

Todays Times - Michel Platini on european club football - "We want to return to being a sport, each club connected to its local community". Celtic were the last team to win the European Cup with a team drawn completeley from the local community - all 11 players coming from within 25 miles of Glasgow, thats quite a statistic. That team won, in 1967, the Glasgow Cup, the Scottish League Cup, the Scottish FA Cup, the Scottish League and the European Cup. Quite an achievement for a real local team. I know I'm boring everyone - don't tell me. I write these posts to entertain myself I know noone cares about the bhoys. :)

The buoys.

Rosie/Annaj/Bignumber5 - I hope my most recent post above went some way to explaining better what I meant. I got no response which might mean I explained it better or might mean you've categorised me as a sexist "whatever" - but hopefully not. Anyway, I was being honest, but probably too blunt. Sometimes you make a point and the reaction you get is not expected and its only when you hear other peoples views you realise the point can be taken personally by reasonable people. Apologies.

Easy for MU - 3-0 just after half time - this is quite a team - and bearing in mind the debate re Ronaldo above, its nice to see what they can do without him. Celtic on the other hand go out of the cup today to the same team as they beat 7-0 last week in the league. But as always the league is what matters (always nice to win the cup too though).

Mike Brearley?

I'm with KK on this - I have not had a problems with Somerfield - we don't do our main shopping there but its been absolutley fine for me for the odd purchase.

Mikecg I don't need you to agree with my point if you are then going to misrepresent it - it does not help. Annaj "Are you honestly saying that all nice women get married, have children and stop work and only manipulative, dominating bitches have careers and don't marry or have children, because no-one will have them? Can't you see what total nonsense that is?" No - I'm not saying that - there are many fantastic career women who continue to work after children, especially in the nhs or service industries. But if you look at the City I think its true to say that the ones that are still working in their 50s say, can be the types of people who are driven to the point of selfishness. Sexism definatley exists big time in these institutions but these people are the sorts of people with the sheer determination to never give into it, or accept defeat, which takes guts, but does not necessarily make for a nice person. Therefore if you take a successful cross section of 50 year old women in the top legal or financial firms in London you will get an unbalanced cross section of women. BigNumber5 - It is because sexism exists in the workplace that we end up with this misrepresentation of women in the higher paid jobs in London. In general nicer people find it tough to succeed in these environments and can drop out. Many people will disgree with the above points but many of those disagreeing will not have worked in the legal and financial sectors of the City. Others will have worked in legal/financial but will not have experienced the same people, that does not make me wrong, but its my perception and in our firm this is a given. The most senior woman in our firm got a witches hat for a secret santa present last year. I don't think what i have said in this thread is sexist at all - I think its a realistic representation of what happens in certain workplaces. I could make another point relating to men and women. Almost all partners in top law firms / financial firms have had to be nasty buggers (on occaision) to get to where they are - so male or female, they are in the main not the nicest of people, despite having client relationship skills that will make them look like the nicest people when the need arises. And yes Anna - my wife knows my views on this subject are controversial - but she is proof of this - after 2 children she went back to work and as happens in many institutions, as she was now part time, she was given a completly unfulfilling role, so guess what she got frustrated with the lack of responsibility and rather than fight it all her life, causing additional stress for her and the whole family, she is taking a career break until the children are a little older.

Yep Willie Young on 17 year old Paul Allen is correct.

Which foul, by whom, on whom, (in an FA Cup final) is commonly thought to have led to the red card coming in for the "professional foul". This may be my own recollection rather than fact but have a go and see if we agree.

Nice one - Jah. When I say it made me smile - thats as far as that one got.

Kevin Moran?

Ans: 1979 Fuzzy Zoeller on his debut at the Masters beat Tom Watson and Ed Sneed to win. Anyone who wants to can ask the next question....

Well Rosie - in very general terms (I like things black and white) Men are more likley to be guilty of physical abuse (because they are stronger and more physical - this is what you are trying to say in this thread is it not?) Women are more likely to be guilty of psychological abuse (because they can't do the physical stuff so well so they have learnt other skills) As for what I said earlier, about many of the best women being at home, I stand by it. My wife is lovely, has a 1st class honours degree and is more intelligent and more capable that me no doubt. However guess what, she no longer works, she is now a full time Mum and the kids love it that way. She would have been a great manager of staff but like others she has chosen to be a Mum and will be a loss to her former workplace. Women will always be viewed as the most important person to be looking after the children. There is a natural bond between mother and child. When you take into account the extortionate childcare costs in London it often means that it is not worth both parents working, thats what happens and many the best women end up no longer being in the workplace, therefore the ones who continue to work are not a true cross section of female personailities and attributes. And don't say you feel sorry for my wife, she's clearly a very lucky lady.;-)

Good point Huguenot but the smaller person in most cases is a woman. Men know woman are weaker physically and some take advantage of this. Men do not tend to take advantage of other men even if they are smaller as to be honest some smaller men can handle themselves pretty well. Women on the other hand should take responsibility for psychological abuse in general - they are the masters of that one.

No not seve - its an american.

Late 70s

Huguenot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I had female bosses for thirteen of the fifteen > years that I worked for anyone else. On the whole > I found female bosses to be more vindictive, more > invidious, more intimidating and more humiliating > than I ever witnessed men to be. > > I found women to be far more capable of inflicting > sustained psychological violence over a period of > years than men ever would. > Huguenot - first time I have read this thread and I could not agree more with the points you have made here. I have been working for a female boss for 8 years (until last year) and I would catagorise this person as a psychological bully during the first 2-3 years, although after that our roles thankfully diversified, giving her less influence. She now has a new female assistant and this person is on the edge after only 1 year or working for this lady. Ladies may think this point patronising, and its not really intended to be, but in general the nicest women will mostly marry and have children and hopefully be happy doing this, the ones we are left with in the workplace, especially the finance and legal professions, can be the most difficult types and not a true reflection of the qualities woman can bring to the workplace. However referring to the main point of the thread - all rape and/or violence against women, men, children or anyones else is unforgivable. Rape is a terrible crime and women are the most frequent victims, they cannot really defend themselves despite self defence classes or whatever so men cannot really understand what it must be like to feel this insecurity. Yes, men do suffer physical and psychological violence, but if this happens in a domestic relationship, I as a man would vote with my feet. In the workplace its more difficult and you may need to work through it otherwise your career prospects can be seriously affected. It can however be very damaging if not addressed.

I have only sold a house once - and think I paid 1.75% plus vat - that was 6 years ago in east london and tehre was a mini slowdown at the time so I had negotiated that down. They must be really desperate now though. Think Foxtons in the good times changed 2.5-3% so they are most expensive generally and who knows if they deserve it but we bought our current house in 2006 through Oliver Burgess at Winkworth and he is a good guy to deal with if you want a real person to deal with rather than the normal wide boy.

James - don't mess with Louisa - especially don't say anything good or even potentially good about east dulwich, really gets her goat.

Well I'm amazed. You should probably let me know why, as I only knew about footie and cricket and maybe Ian played rugby too? anyway now you know it was a real guess. So here goes - Golf - Northern Ireland's 19 year old Rory McIlroy will next month attempt to become the first debutant to win the US Masters since.....well who was tbe last debutant winner and which 2 players did he beat in a play off to take the title?