Spot on Jeremy. It's hard to debate issues like immigration because positions are so entrenched on both sides. And neither like to give ground. So whilst SJ is correct in saying that these statistics show that there isn't nearly as big a "problem" as most critics of immigration would like to suggest, ???? and *Bob* rightly point out that in localised areas there can be increased pressures on services and resources that need addressing by national and local politicians and media. But unfortunately there seems little appetite amongst either of those groups for rational debate since both are equally entrenched for different reasons in their own positions. Interesting, this is a nettle the Labour left have failed to grasp over successive generations and it has contributed to the erosion of their white, working-class support. Quixotically, these areas are actually ones that have seen little immigration but are the most fearful of it. I think it would be a fool who didn't recognise the huge benefits that immigrants can bring to this country and have done for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. And with every new influx the same concerns (or similar) have been raised. But this doesn't mean we shouldn't be capable of discussing the matter sensibly and without cheap jibes being thrown by either side or having to resort to factually innaccurate rhetoric.