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Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Per the Local Government Associations' guidelines > on consultations: > > Consultation is technically any activity that > gives local people a voice and an opportunity to > influence important decisions. It involves > listening to and learning from local people before > decisions are made or priorities are set. > > It would be that democratic process.......... Righto, and where did Southwark "claim they would follow this at the outset" ? Rockets - you have invested a huge amount of time to this thread and so it must be something that you're really passionate about. Can I ask what else you are doing to convince the council to remove the LTN's, or whatever your objective is because keeping this thread going seems to be achieving absolutely zilch in a practical sense ?

Rockets Wrote: > > They consulted, got a response they didn't want to > hear and then made the decision they wanted from > the beginning by ignoring the majority. That's why > so many people are upset with them - that's not > the democratic process they claimed they would > follow at the outset of this. > Which democratic process was that ? I don't ever recall the council saying here is a vote for or against the LTN's and we will abide by the result ?

Thanks Penguin68 - I understand the connection options from ADSL to FTTP and I'm aware that the Openreach exchange that fulfils most of ED is at the end of Court Lane (on the site of the old fire station, for those that are interested). I'm a bit surprised and disappointed that within a few hundred metres, some properties have FTTC and others ADSL, e.g. Arnham Way and Delft Way in the Dutch Estate a few metres apart but gigabits apart in terms of download speeds.

kerry2015 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Not sure if the above is actually correct, my area > is listed as low teens but I get about 75 and I'm > on openreach. That's the problem. I might get a better speed and maybe the info on all the BB suppliers sites is out of date - I have checked several not just BT - but the package cost reflects the speed your supposed to get. I'd be happy to pay for fibre but according to the information available, it's not possible at the moment.

Like many I'm currently with Virgin Media for my broadband. I'm considering switching to an another provider that will use the Openreach network and I was surprised and pretty disappointed to see the speeds on offer for my street so I decided to see what other streets were like. it seems that I'm in blackhole of ADSL speeds of up 11-13Mbps whereas there are several streets on a few hundred metres away that have fibre available and speeds to to 70+Mbps. If these numbers are true then it looks like I'll be staying with VM if I need a reasonable speed. (Sorry - can't layout the below as a table) Numbers are min/max Mbps speeds quoted. Townley Road, East Dulwich, London, SE22 8SR 20 36 Fibre Kempis Way, East Dulwich, London, SE22 8TU 35 73 Fibre Isel Way, East Dulwich, London, SE22 8TT 35 73 Fibre Arnhem Way, East Dulwich, London, SE22 8TS 35 73 Fibre Deventer Crescent, East Dulwich, London, SE22 8TJ 5 13 Velde Way, East Dulwich, London, SE22 8TP 4 12 Delft Way, East Dulwich, London, SE22 8TR? 4 9 Nimegen Way, East Dulwich, London, SE22 8TL 7 16 Thorncombe Road, East Dulwich, London, SE22 8PX 5 11 Glengarry Road, East Dulwich, London, SE22 8QA 5 13 Tarbert Road, East Dulwich, London, SE22 8QB 5 13 Trossachs Road, London, SE22 8PY 5 11 Glengarry Road, London, SE22 8PZ 5 11 East Dulwich Grove, East Dulwich, London, SE22 8PU 5 13 East Dulwich Grove, London, SE22 8TW 5 13 East Dulwich Grove, East Dulwich, London, SE22 8PP 35 73 Fibre Melbourne Grove, East Dulwich, London, SE22 8QY 35 50 Fibre Ashbourne Grove, East Dulwich, London, SE22 8RN 35 73 Fibre Chesterfield Grove, East Dulwich, London, SE22 8RW 35 73 Fibre Tell Grove, East Dulwich, London, SE22 8RH 35 73 Fibre Tintagel Crescent, East Dulwich, London, SE22 8HT 35 73 Fibre Elsie Road, East Dulwich, London, SE22 8DX 35 70 Fibre Derwent Grove, East Dulwich, London, SE22 8EA 35 50 Fibre Melbourne Grove, East Dulwich, London, SE22 8QZ 35 50 Fibre Matham Grove, East Dulwich, London, SE22 8PN 35 73 Fibre Playfield Crescent, East Dulwich, London, SE22 8QR 20 36 Fibre Postcodes here: https://checkmypostcode.uk/map/use/?loc=18,51.45658413434781,-0.08243501186370851 Speeds available here: https://www.bt.com/products/broadband/deals

I think that fact that he was on a bike is largely irrelevant, I suspect he would behave the same regardless of the mode of transport, from your description he just sounds like a very nasty person.

Just a note on Charter East Dulwich. The number of pupils attending has increased over the past few years. I think in September 2019 the original cohort were entering year 10 and the 6th form (year 12) only opened in September this year. This would partly explain any observed increases in numbers walking to that school.

CPR Dave Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Seems like you are saying that the traffic in > Lordship Lane has gone up (by more than 20% of the > traffic that was in EDG) to accomdate the closed > roads Rah rah? I guess that depends on the direction and destination. If you were heading east and intended to head south along LL then I guess that previously you might have headed down Melbourne/Ashbourne/Chesterfield/Blackwater etc but ultimately you'd still be on LL so no net increase if you measured say around the Lordship pub but there would be an increase if you measured around the Palmerston. If you were heading east and intended to head towards Grove Vale then yes that would be an increase in the section from the EDG/LL junction to the roundabout.

Another snippet from the Air Quality Report. https://www.southwark.gov.uk/assets/attach/77414/Air-Quality-modelling-report_June-2021_Dulwich-Streetspace.pdf Regardless of the argument over traffic levels, no real change to the levels of pollutants along East Dulwich Grove, Dulwich Village, Half Moon Lane, Village Way.

heartblock Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > She is a bit busy being the WHO advocate for > health and air quality at present, but yes we are > in communication due to some shared experiences > already. > > Southwark closed the 5 roads around ED Grove and > they have a duty of care to their residents to > measure the air quality consequences and to > publish these before any consultation. As it > stands a group of EDG residents have measured the > air quality by self-funding, but these > measurements are not 'official' measurement. So > the 59-60 NOx figures (WHO - anything over 40 is a > risk to health) are easily dismissed. > What you need to ask yourself is 'why isn't > Southwark measuring our air quality' ? Maybe take a look at my earlier post. /forum/read.php?5,2092625,2250739#msg-2250739 I've read further into the report actually Southwark has measured the air quality on EDG using AQMesh pods - see page 15. The report states: Southwark Council provided hourly average measurements from AQMesh pods on East Dulwich Grove from 18th May to 19th June 2017 and from 18th May to 24th July 2021. Comparing the same periods in 2017 and 2021 shows average NO2 concentrations were 33 μg/m? in 2017 and 23 μg/m? in 2021. For these periods, the maximum hourly average concentrations were 67 μg/m? and 52 μg/m?, in 2017 and 2021 respectively; over the two-month period in 2021, the maximum hourly average concentration was 56 μg/m?. The change in concentrations at this AQMesh pod location is in line with continuous monitor and diffusion tube measurements.

Anyone looked at the Air Quality Assessment - it's quite a dense document. https://www.southwark.gov.uk/assets/attach/77414/Air-Quality-modelling-report_June-2021_Dulwich-Streetspace.pdf A couple of interesting observations. Firstly one of a means of monitoring air quality is using diffusion tubes (apparently). While some are located in the local area (map is on page 14) none are located on East Dulwich Grove at all. The closest is one on Townley Road near Allyens. Page 31 talks about pollutant levels around the local schools. Comparing 2019 with 2021 the reports conclusion is: "Using the EPUK IAQM significance criteria matrix reproduced in Table 4.1, the impact of the scheme at all school locations, for all pollutants, is classed as Negligible." This is repeated in the conclusion along with the overall assessment: "Using the EPUK IAQM significance criteria, the predicted changes in concentrations at school locations in the scheme area are classed as Negligible. In addition, for the majority of building fa?ade locations along scheme roads the predicted changes in concentrations are classed as Negligible." One the StreetSpace objectives ( https://www.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/improving-our-streets/live-projects/dulwich-review?chapter=2 ) is "Improving air quality and reduce pollution and noise levels" . The report would indicate that the scheme has failed on the first two points so far.

I'm going to watch QPR v Swansea next weekend and it falls under the new requirements to show a vaccine pass (which I have) or a negative LFT. I received an email saying "The club will accept any form of proving a negative lateral flow test such as the physical test, photo of a recent test, or a screenshot of the recorded result which has been uploaded to the NHS." Surely the photo of a negative test is ridiculous - here's one https://www.medicaldevice-network.com/news/mass-testing-covid-19/ Interested to know if others attending outdoor events have received similar.

legalalien Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > interesting recent review of literature here > https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/27/5/490 > > Injuries mostly falling off type injuries rather > than collisions with other road users. > Significant cost/ burden on A&E/ health > services.... Hmm - For those that can't be bothered, don't assume that because it's a BMJ article it's discussing scooter accidents in the UK. It's not. Also that's your "significant" not the BMJ's. The NHS budget is what, ~?170bn so what do you term significant ?

Whilst not forgetting of course that a consultation is not a yes-or-no vote, Hackney are making an LTN permanent against the views of the majority of the local population. https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/homerton-ltn-to-be-made-permanent-2021-8537300

Brideshead Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > The library don?t have a true ?e-edition? which is > exact copy of what is printed, hence the reason > why you pay at least as much for this type of > version online. > Are you sure ? Southwark subscribe to Pressreader which allows you to read the printed version of most newspapers. Not all are supported but when I last looked they had the mail, mirror, express, telegraph, guardian, including weekend and sunday editions and the associated supplements and magazines. https://imgur.com/a/C33foRr

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You should have advertised your glazed clay > self-portrait straight here, on the EDF ! Darn - that would have allowed me to ask at least 4 x more :) artisan..hand-crafted..original..

only ?8.99 !!! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/234291138638?hash=item368cd7104e:g:EGgAAOSwYYlgWgue

Dalgleish on Channel 5 - kind of went under the radar of the media I think. Three two-parters that have finished now but you can probably catch up. Set in the early seventies and starring Bertie Carvell with great sideburns and an E-Type. Not what I was expecting of Channel 5 at all really.

Angelina Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > yes Band 1 charge for clean, Band 2 for deep clean While this is true, I'm guessing that for a lot of London based dentists, that are willing to treat on the NHS, push patients towards the hygenist as a means of saving/making money. https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/dentists/dental-costs/what-is-included-in-each-nhs-dental-band-charge/ A few years ago I stopped using the dentist on North Cross Road (Smile ?) because they always charged me Band 2 even though the treatment was Band 1 and their argument was that I received a scale and polish. I now go to the Gardens where I only am charged for the Band 1 but I don't even get a scale and polish for which I am expected to go to their hygenist. Like a lot of things it's all about money at the end of the day.

Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ed_pete Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Increasingly the people I work with like to > > "opine". Ugh. > > > Did they all read Biggles books when they were > young? > > He was always opining or similar. He never > actually just "said" anything .... Well it was started by someone who would fit that mould.

Increasingly the people I work with like to "opine". Ugh.

After 260 pages and 7700+ posts isn't it time the two sides met a pub one evening and let this thread die gracefully ?

Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I agree completely - I believe the measures on > Melbourne Grove (for example) make sense but they > don't at the DV junction and it is the DV junction > that is causing the problems across Dulwich and > the council stedfastedly refuses to acknowledge > that fact. Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Mal - no, no, no a thousand times no?..everyone > wants to reduce traffic just most don?t believe > LTNs are the solution to this problem... > > LTNs have never reduced the amount of traffic > anywhere they just divert traffic along fewer and > fewer roads - you know that, the council knows > that, we all know that. > > LTNs do more harm than good and are actually > harming the majority of residents of Dulwich. I'm confused - are you saying the Melbourne Grove LTN changes are OK but at the same time they are doing more harm than good ?

This is rapidly becoming the new Natty's moped. /forum/read.php?9,2239144 It's the second attempt to sell a 10 year old macbook for probably twice what it's worth (original posts deleted).

Assuming you mean Crystal Palace Road then it's probably part of the Southwark Spine. https://consultations.southwark.gov.uk/environment-leisure/eastdulwichtopeckham/