Bic Basher

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I have a copy of a study of the South London Line > using data from the London Watch survey where 8% > of all SLL users actually goes to Clapham > Junction. Furthermore, those who travelled to > Canary Wharf via London Bridge felt than an > extension to Canada Water offered no advantage as > the Jubilee trains were always packed. A reduction in their travel costs which would no longer require a Zone 1-2 travelcard, along with an enhanced service to Canada Water from SLL stations and only having to use the Jubilee line for one stop may change their minds along with the Canary Wharf businesses who'll save money on travelcard loans for their employees. Both the Forest Hill and Sydenham Societies (who have reps who attend the LOROL stakeholder meetings) both raised concerns before the ELL opened due to the reduction in LB services, yet it's the passengers who decide how they'll travel and they chose the East London line with Southern increasing capacity on peak services to London Bridge. If there are issues where Southwark passengers are not happy with the ELL, I'm sure LOROL will invite the Southwark Rail Users Group to represent them at future stakeholder meetings.

LondonMix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- t would influence my view on how > travel habits might change once the new ELL line > is introduced. As seen when the ELL was introduced onto the Sydenham line, passengers changed from using London Bridge over to the ELL mainly changing at Canada Water for the Jubilee line, a direct link to the tube network, thus reducing the capacity issues which will be even more apparent once the platforms are reduced and the station refurbishment works are at their height due to the Thameslink project. Passenger usage has gone up at every ex Southern station on the line as services became more frequent, although it comes at a price. Like when you build a new road, the capacity is soon used when people realise the other connections that it brings. A TfL London rail survey that was discussed at the LOROL stakeholders meeting in the spring suggested heavy usage of the ELL from Peckham Rye.

To quote a post from Rail UK Forums after UDT was asked again and again how his solution to the SLL situation would work. "Can you go back to whatever forum you came from and stay there please? Since joining this thread you've effectively done nothing but attempt to look like youre right, whilst ignoring any questions you have been asked and failing to provide any realistic solutions." Sound familiar?

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ETA: I have done nothing wrong as I have recived > no PMs from their admin. Sorry Bic Basher but it's > a case of cowardly censorship. Or quite simply your behaviour which for some unknown reason is tolerated here was dealt with adequately. There's trolling on a local forum where you can be the supposed bad man of the board with the hilarious quotes which even I find funny or the rude comments you dish out to people who disagree with you. If you quit the trolling and discussed some of the valid points that you've raised without resorting to primary school behaviour, then you may find that people may discuss the topic with you sensibly, but I think everyone is beneath you, so there's no point when you put yourself on that pedestal. It does the pro-SLL cause no good when you resort to such behaviour.

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bic Basher Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > May I suggest people visit the Railforumsuk > thread > > where a sensible discussion of this topic by > > transport insiders has been discussed without > the > > need for being agressive. Even the legendary > EDF > > transport user can add his two pennies worth if > he > > signs up. > > > > http://railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=69548 > > I don't think these people are transport insiders. > And if they are then more likely to be in a very > junior capacity such as sweeping the platforms. > Perhaps that is why they are blocking my posts. If you have a genuine complaint, raise it with the administration team at Rail UK Forums. The thread over there gave you ample opportunity to put your reasons for keeping the SLL open and you were asked for your solutions. The members gave you reasons for why some of your solutions wouldn't work and you disagreed in typical UDT style which may had led to you being put on moderation.

antantant Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Are you sure about London Bridge? Travelling from > Queens Road Peckham to Euston every day I'm sure I > get charged twice if I've forgotten to renew my > weekly? The fare from QRP to Euston is ?3.70 peak and ?3.10 off-peak. This will be slightly cheaper once the ELL opens in December as you can travel via Canada Water and is considered a TfL fare, although will take longer to travel. Currently, it's higher as you pay a premium for changing between Southern and the tube at London Bridge. If you feel you've been overcharged, you can ask for a Oyster Usage Statement at the Euston tube ticket office or go to any Oyster self-service machine at a tube station and you can view your journey history.

camberwellconvert Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for the link StraferJack - can you explain > what an "OSI" is? An OSI allows you to transfer between two stations by foot and only get charged the single fare for one journey instead of two using Oyster PAYG. Examples of OSI's include Charing Cross National Rail to Embankment, New Cross Gate to New Cross or transferring between London Bridge NR and tube stations.

EDmummy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > When I was a teenager in Australia, library books > were often returned to the shelves by secondary > school students doing community support > activities. It's still common now for secondary school students, particularly in year 10 (14-15) to do work experience in the summer term at a library, which will include shelf stacking (if they can grasp the Dewey system!) Voluntary staff at libraries will become more common as staff roles become less and in some cases, libraries may be fully staffed by volunteers bar a manager. It's worth remembering that our neighbours in Lewisham have volunteer run libraries, with the exception of Lewisham, Catford, Forest Hill and Torridon Road where as we have paid staff in Southwark.

dukesdenver Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Perhaps we could hijack the M&S/Iceland thread and > suggest that the site be used as a new public > library at the very heart of East Dulwich? > > Well, you can dream.... Indeed, the best you'll get down the core ED end will be the moving of Grove Vale library to where the Dulwich Garden Centre is currently.

One thing that strikes me about Dulwich (and to a lesser extent Peckham) is the amount of staff on the counter, it's like going back in time compared to using other libraries in London. And what does the member of staff do in the upstairs PC and reference room do?

The library stock at Dulwich and Peckham always seems a bit older compared to when I use Westminster libraries.

Had a knock on the door from the postie who asked me to take in a parcel for three doors down. Surprising as the Royal Mail could have easily made more money by getting the recipient to pay to collect from Silvester Road.

The interchange bridge from the Southern platforms and platform 6 are still open as normal. It was only on July 30th that Platforms 1-6 were exit only during the evening.

A picture (link below) shows how the Overground plaforms will look like at Clapham Junction, the pic shows a WLL train. http://www.flickr.com/photos/28982714@N06/7209220044/in/photostream/

You'll probably end up buying the catalogues and then the goods if you're lucky to get any customers and not making a profit.

LondonMix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > The extension won't terminate at Clapham Junction > though (it will carry on through the existing ELL) > so if you were travelling to Victoria just to head > west on the District Line or ultimately connect to > the Notting hill area you will be able to take the > ELL to West Brompton (about 17 min from Denmark > Hill) or Shepherd's Bush (circa 30 min from > Denmark Hill) following the ELL extension, which > on balance should be better You will have to change at Clapham Junction for the WLL services which go to Willesden Junction or Stratford, but unlike changing for Southern or SWT services, the Overground platforms will be together. Southern also have a service to Milton Keynes Central which serves the WLL stations including Shepherds Bush and West Brompton.

Was down Barry Road about an hour ago and did notice Orange cutting out by Goodrich Road, but the phone switched to T-Mobile.

LondonMix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It will be 3 stops away (Clapham High street, > Wandsworth Road and then Clapham Junction). > Testing of the line has just begun but one would > imagine it will be in the region of 10 minutes > give or take. DH to Wandsworth Road is currently timetabled to take 6 mins, depending on access to the track, I'd say 10/12 minutes depending if held at a signal.

anonymous_third_part Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > surely changing at clapham junction won't be a > huge problem - and it opens up waterloo as well. > > i think people should wait until its introduced > and see what you think. There were concerns raised when FH and HOP had their London Bridge services reduced to 4tph, yet as soon as it opened passengers soon discovered they could use the ELL as an alternative route into central London. A trip to Canada Water's ELL southbound platform during the evening peak shows you how popular it is. I still use Southern's peak services into LB from FH and where as pre 2010 they were packed to the rafters, the LB trains are a lot more bearable now. This was also helped by extending the platforms which allow 10 carriage trains during peak times increasing capacity. The Clapham Junction service will be as popular as the other ELL branches because as soon as you give a new train service, it soon (after a honeymoon period) becomes another busy service when people discover the connections it offers, especially when you consider that those stations become part of the standard tube map (a misleading name when it covers all TfL services).

LondonMix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I heard about that. What street in FH is > considered the main high-street (apologies for my > ignorance) and do you know about the exact plans? > I've heard some of the ideas and the renovation of > Forest Hill and Sydnahm's high streets sound > really exciting. I live in ED but the more > interesting things in the general area the > better? The Forest Hill Society are administrating the Portas funding and you should contact them for further information. http://www.foresthillsociety.com/2012/07/portas-pilot-first-steps.html

Michael Palaeologus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It is NIMBY-ism. If M&S were opening in Forest > Hill, nobody in ED would complain, because it > wouldnt be in their backyard. I think FH would welcome a M&S in the town as they've had problems in recent years getting business into Dartmouth Road especially. However they won funding from the Portas scheme in a joint bid with Sydenham and with the soon to re-open Pools, the problems they've had with retail units may bring it up to ED levels. This was the same town that tries to keep the chains in the town, they successfully managed to persuade Barclays to stay when they were considering closing their branch.

antantant Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Personally, I appreciate UDT standing up for the > side of the arguement that I believe is correct. In which way? This thread is a classic example of how trolling derails (no pun intended) what should be a reasonable debate on a topic which will affect many of EDF's members. The best thing is now is not to feed him and simply debate the topic, also sign up to the Rail UK Forums thread and discuss it there too, I'm sure it'd give them a broader representation of views from other people in the area and not just him and me.

I can imagine that in some Tory council's like Wandsworth, Westminster and Kensington and Chelsea they'll find the money from somewhere to keep the HB/CTB levels as they are, while Labour councils such as ours and Lewisham will have their poorest residents penalised.

According to his wiki, he was born in Bury St Edmonds and was raised in Finsbury Park.

So in UDT's world, this is how it goes. 1. If you don't use the SLL - you don't understand the bigger picture. 2. Everyone travels to Victoria, period. 3. No-one EVER uses the bus, I mean, what's the point of all those bus routes which pick up all those people on a daily basis when you can wait for a SLL train to Victoria. 4. If you don't have a copy of the South London Rail Utilisation Strategy to hand, you give out misleading information. 5. Ensure you spin or put down other members of EDF to ensure only your point is heard. 6. Also post absolute crap on topics from sash windows to football, so that you're the Mac Daddy of EDF. 7. Go on other forums where same thread is being discussed, pretend to be sensible, then resort to trolling when you don't get your own way when rail experts debate your viewpoint. 8. Be nice to the one or two people who agree with you, including local politicians.