Jump to content

Recommended Posts

Claire Perry seems to be saying the bad service is ok as long as the government get paid through fines, a terrible attitude.


Over the last year overcrowding at London Bridge has become worryingly dangerous, if Southern are not careful their changes could result in more people stuck at the station and a serious crush happening.

I'm really annoyed with the tone of the response to the petition. I agree that changing the name above the door wouldn't necessarily help. But she's basically telling us to suck it up and it will get better in 2018. It's also badly written, with mistakes in it and acronyms which mean nothing to me.

Just read the response,a 5 year old could have replied better


How many times did they want to mention "decades of underinvestment" and challenging infrastructure? Basically it's not their fault and stop moaning, think our transport secretary needs to spend a week trying to get into work using their trains - it might chsnge her tone,

It's an absolute shocker. Direct trains to London Bridge on Monday go at 6.55, 7.30, 8.30 and 9.30.


The only other options in between involve changes at Tulse Hill or Peckham Rye to Elephant and Castle and then according to the published timetable "Make your way from Elephant & Castle to London Bridge".

So let's get this straight. Here we have a woefully underperforming rail franchise with appalling customer satisfaction, frequent delays and cancellations, and longstanding known issues with hiring and retaining enough staff to properly run their daily services.


They seem to be cutting up to 3/4 of peak time services between ED and London, bizarrely justified by strikes on other parts of their network.


In response to 14k people signing an official government petition we get a response from the transport committee which looks very much like it was drafted by Govia's own PR team. Meanwhile the government keeps pumping enough subsidies into the company to let them increase profits year after year.


What exactly are our options here? Do we need to start waving placards outside Govia head office or something?

Helen Hayes has written a letter to Claire Perry which I hope will have some impact


http://www.helenhayes.org.uk/southern_railway_emergency_timetable


As for hitting profits is it possible to get a refund on monthly season tickets? I may do this and walk / cycle until the timetable is reinstated if so. Otherwise, southern have suggested delay repay can be claimed against the normal timetable so if every commuter claims for every journey that will cost them...


On which point, I'm guessing they've picked on South London because our fares are the lowest in their network and the cheapest to reimburse / compensate thus protecting their revenues from more lucrative stations further afield?

Abe_froeman Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> On which point, I'm guessing they've picked on

> South London because our fares are the lowest in

> their network and the cheapest to reimburse /

> compensate thus protecting their revenues from

> more lucrative stations further afield?


Partly that. Objectively, you could say that we have other options (combinations of bus/walk/tube/overground/thameslink), so lower priority than suburbs where you literally have no other option. Not that this is a valid excuse of course.

Some Southern users took out a full-page advert in The Times


http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/commuters-group-takes-out-newspaper-11575925


I can see that we have more options (short walk/bus journey to Denmark Hill/Herne Hill/Peckham Rye depending on where in ED you live), along with the 40 bus; but those options are already at capacity and are unlikely to cope well with next week's cancellations.

Lowlander Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> I can see that we have more options (short

> walk/bus journey to Denmark Hill/Herne

> Hill/Peckham Rye depending on where in ED you

> live), along with the 40 bus; but those options

> are already at capacity and are unlikely to cope

> well with next week's cancellations.


Yep, I'm not saying that the alternatives are OK... just suggesting that perhaps that's why Govia chose to hit metro routes disproportionately.

Abe_froeman Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> It's an absolute shocker. Direct trains to London

> Bridge on Monday go at 6.55, 7.30, 8.30 and 9.30.

>

And what if one of those was cancelled? I took the bus to LB this morning as two consecutive trains were cancelled. I can see myself doing that regularly.


Given the reduction in services does anyone know if the cost in a monthly ticket will be reduced accordingly? Mine has just run out.

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Latest Discussions

    • The current wave of xenophobia is due to powerful/influential people stirring up hatred.  It;'s what happened in the past, think 1930s Germany.  It seems to be even easier now as so many get their information from social media, whether it is right or wrong.  The media seeking so called balance will bring some nutter on, they don't then bring a nutter on to counteract that. They now seem to turn to Reform at the first opportunity. So your life is 'shite', let;s blame someone else.  Whilst sounding a bit like a Tory, taking some ownership/personal responsibility would be a start.  There are some situations where that may be more challenging, in deindustrialised 'left behind' wasteland we can't all get on our bikes and find work.  But I loathe how it is now popular to blame those of us from relatively modest backgrounds, like me, who did see education and knowledge as a way to self improve. Now we are seen by some as smug liberals......  
    • Kwik Fit buggered up an A/C leak diagnosis for me (saying there wasn't one, when there was) and sold a regas. The vehicle had to be taken to an A/C specialist for condensor replacement and a further regas. Not impressed.
    • Yes, these are all good points. I agree with you, that division has led us down dangerous paths in the past. And I deplore any kind of racism (as I think you probably know).  But I feel that a lot of the current wave of xenophobia we're witnessing is actually more about a general malaise and discontent. I know non-white people around here who are surprisingly vocal about immigrants - legal or otherwise. I think this feeling transcends skin colour for a lot of people and isn't as simple as, say, the Jew hatred of the 1930s or the Irish and Black racism that we saw laterally. I think people feel ignored and looked down upon.  What you don't realise, Sephiroth, is that I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying. I just think that looking down on people because of their voting history and opinions is self-defeating. And that's where Labour's getting it wrong and Reform is reaping the rewards.   
    • @Sephiroth you made some interesting points on the economy, on the Lammy thread. Thought it worth broadening the discussion. Reeves (irrespective of her financial competence) clearly was too downbeat on things when Labour came into power. But could there have been more honesty on the liklihood of taxes going up (which they have done, and will do in any case due to the freezing of personal allowances).  It may have been a silly commitment not to do this, but were you damned if you do and damned if you don't?
Home
Events
Sign In

Sign In



Or sign in with one of these services

Search
×
    Search In
×
×
  • Create New...