East Dulwich Nostalgia

[Keef]

lilolil Wrote:

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> The bakers in LL were called PLACE Bakers. The

> brothers lived in the two houses up opposite Court

> Lane.

That's it. Where did I get Ayres from... Is that the one in Nunhead, or am I just making things up?

[lilolil]

YEP

Ayres is in Nunhead Lane LOL.

Remember when George had a fish bar in LL and North X Rd?? It was where the Indian restaurant is now and I had my 1st job there OMG!!! Dont know what was more tricky trying to serve the chips or trying to avoid George!

His son, Elvis took over as manager at the North X rd shop.

[Keef]

Isn't "George's" chip shop on Northcross road now Emily's fish bar? Sure that's the one my dad always called George's

[lilolil]

Yes it is Keef, but years ago b4 Elvis took it over it was George's.

[bagpuss78]

ahhh Georges, great memories of coming home from swimming every wednesday, eyes stinging from all the chlorine and getting a portion of chips for the rest of the journey home.

[Keef]

Used to do the same, but from Golden City.

[clare]

Did anyone ever have their hair cut at Molly's on Northcross Road ?(opp Emily's fish Bar)

I had just had my first baby (Molly) when the hairdressers closed down. The signage from the shop (swirly writing and a woman's head) is now rusting nicely at the bottom of our garden.

[nutty]

no - but I lived there when it was converted to flats!

[spadetownboy]

Keef Wrote:

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> Thats the one, and I think, but could be wrong,

> the nice bloke who ran it was called Geoff.

it was geoff, and i,ve still got 2 vids from the shop as he basically closed down over night.

[suzuki1000steve]

jack Wrote:

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> Does anyone know what happened to Steamline

> motorcycles at the top of Lordship lane, I bought

> my first bike there in 1958 it was a really

> powerfull 250cc BSA CLG, if the wind was behind it

> could manage all of 60mph, the shop started as a

> single unit and soon took over several adjacent

> shops, the last time I saw it about 1973 it seemed

> to be doing well so I was supprised to see it has

> gone, does anyone know what happened to the owners

> I think they were Mike and Neal

The shop is now a tile shop, I think Topps tiles.

The guy that used to work there was called Tony, and whilst Streamlines was doing very well, I think developers won the day with money. I am suprised though that Streamlines did not then open up somewhere else.

Many great bike shops have been and gone over the years. Remember Pride and Clarks in Stockwell? Or Aeroes in Norwood and Hamiltons in Streatham. There was also one down the South circular going from Streamlines to say Clapham. I am sure it began with an M, it was right on a tight bend coming up to Forest Hill, anyone remember?

It is amazing how many great shops have closed now, and very few motorcycle shops remain, certainly the small independants have gone. I live near Dartford now and Bates is still there and started off many moons ago selling cycles. But even they have now had to diversify by selling small cars to survive.

[maritap]

Didnt Le Chadon use to be a bakers before.

[Zebedee Tring]

I thought that Le Chardon's predecessor was Thistles Restaurant/Wine Bar and that many years ago there was a branch of grocery chain David Greig. The thistle motif that remains in Le Chardon was the David Greig symbol - there's a deli or restaurant in the Herne Hill end of Half Moon Lane that has the same motif and is therefore the site of another David Greig shop.

[picapica]

suzuki1000steve Wrote:

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> jack Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Does anyone know what happened to Steamline

> > motorcycles at the top of Lordship lane, I

> bought

> > my first bike there in 1958 it was a really

> > powerfull 250cc BSA CLG, if the wind was behind

> it

> > could manage all of 60mph, the shop started as

> a

> > single unit and soon took over several adjacent

> > shops, the last time I saw it about 1973 it

> seemed

> > to be doing well so I was supprised to see it

> has

> > gone, does anyone know what happened to the

> owners

> > I think they were Mike and Neal

>

>

> The shop is now a tile shop, I think Topps tiles.

>

> The guy that used to work there was called Tony,

> and whilst Streamlines was doing very well, I

> think developers won the day with money. I am

> suprised though that Streamlines did not then open

> up somewhere else.

>

> Many great bike shops have been and gone over the

> years. Remember Pride and Clarks in Stockwell? Or

> Aeroes in Norwood and Hamiltons in Streatham.

> There was also one down the South circular going

> from Streamlines to say Clapham. I am sure it

> began with an M, it was right on a tight bend

> coming up to Forest Hill, anyone remember?

>

> It is amazing how many great shops have closed

> now, and very few motorcycle shops remain,

> certainly the small independants have gone. I live

> near Dartford now and Bates is still there and

> started off many moons ago selling cycles. But

> even they have now had to diversify by selling

> small cars to survive.

Nostalgia on.

Ah yes, I remember all those 'bike shops including the one on the bend coming up to Forest Hill but not its name dammit! Was it Parks (Honda)? They had a spares place near Catford which closed decades ago but their sign is still up on the end terrace! I remember a 'Pride & Clarks' in Greenwich (Harleys...or am I muddled?) It was known as 'Snide and Sharks' :-) I spent many happy hours perusing the second-hand exotica on offer at 'Streamlines'. I also remember Garozzo's in Brownhill Road. Bike shops in London never seemed to recover from the farago that was the 'Motorcycle City' chain and its subsequent demise. I have to schlep down to Coulsdon these days for a decent standard of service (Dobles). Nostalgia off.

[Sue]

Zebedee Tring Wrote:

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> I thought that Le Chardon's predecessor was

> Thistles Restaurant/Wine Bar and that many years

> ago there was a branch of grocery chain David

> Greig. The thistle motif that remains in Le

> Chardon was the David Greig symbol - there's a

> deli or restaurant in the Herne Hill end of Half

> Moon Lane that has the same motif and is therefore

> the site of another David Greig shop.

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For some strange reason though, it wasn't called Thistles, it was called Thistells, if memory serves.

Who knows why!

[Jagger]

In the early seventies the shops in the parade on Lordship Lane where Streamline was included a Spar (the lady who ran it had a budgie in a cage), Mr Rossi's sweet shop which would put Hope and Greenwood to shame with its selection of sweets in jars, the hardware shop run by a man in brown overalls, and Mr Nee's chemist where Barcelona was (it became a restaurant called La Pharmacia for a while, retaining all the fixtures and fittings - wooden cabinets and large glass apothecary bottles on display).

Walsh Glazing on Shawbury Road was an ice cream factory I think for a while, with the ice cream vans in the area based there.

I also remember Jones and Higgins in Pekham - they used to have a menagerie in the basement at Christmas. One year they brought in a tiger (these were the days when you could buy lion cubs in Harrods).

picapica Wrote:

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> suzuki1000steve Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > jack Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > -----

> > > Does anyone know what happened to Steamline

> > > motorcycles at the top of Lordship lane, I

> > bought

> > > my first bike there in 1958 it was a really

> > > powerfull 250cc BSA CLG, if the wind was

> behind

> > it

> > > could manage all of 60mph, the shop started

> as

> > a

> > > single unit and soon took over several

> adjacent

> > > shops, the last time I saw it about 1973 it

> > seemed

> > > to be doing well so I was supprised to see it

> > has

> > > gone, does anyone know what happened to the

> > owners

> > > I think they were Mike and Neal

> >

> >

> > The shop is now a tile shop, I think Topps

> tiles.

> >

> > The guy that used to work there was called

> Tony,

> > and whilst Streamlines was doing very well, I

> > think developers won the day with money. I am

> > suprised though that Streamlines did not then

> open

> > up somewhere else.

> >

> > Many great bike shops have been and gone over

> the

> > years. Remember Pride and Clarks in Stockwell?

> Or

> > Aeroes in Norwood and Hamiltons in Streatham.

> > There was also one down the South circular

> going

> > from Streamlines to say Clapham. I am sure it

> > began with an M, it was right on a tight bend

> > coming up to Forest Hill, anyone remember?

> >

> > It is amazing how many great shops have closed

> > now, and very few motorcycle shops remain,

> > certainly the small independants have gone. I

> live

> > near Dartford now and Bates is still there and

> > started off many moons ago selling cycles. But

> > even they have now had to diversify by selling

> > small cars to survive.

>

> Nostalgia on.

> Ah yes, I remember all those 'bike shops including

> the one on the bend coming up to Forest Hill but

> not its name dammit! Was it Parks (Honda)? They

> had a spares place near Catford which closed

> decades ago but their sign is still up on the end

> terrace! I remember a 'Pride & Clarks' in

> Greenwich (Harleys...or am I muddled?) It was

> known as 'Snide and Sharks' :-) I spent many happy

> hours perusing the second-hand exotica on offer at

> 'Streamlines'. I also remember Garozzo's in

> Brownhill Road. Bike shops in London never seemed

> to recover from the farago that was the

> 'Motorcycle City' chain and its subsequent demise.

> I have to schlep down to Coulsdon these days for a

> decent standard of service (Dobles). Nostalgia

> off.

[gringas]

Does anyone remember Mr Guiliano the ice cream man who used to push his barrow everywhere? And the rose bushes that covered the slope on Albrighton Road. And the air raid shelters between the flats off Dog Kennel Hill?

[computedshorty]

I remember Mr Guiliano the ice cream man his shop was in Northcross Road corner facing the school.

Yes the shelters were enclosed later with a wire fence made up from the old metal strechers that had been bunk beds in the shelters in the war.

Then there was no center of the road flower beds, just four sets of tram lines.

[Zebedee Tring]

Sue Wrote:

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> Zebedee Tring Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > I thought that Le Chardon's predecessor was

> > Thistles Restaurant/Wine Bar and that many

> years

> > ago there was a branch of grocery chain David

> > Greig. The thistle motif that remains in Le

> > Chardon was the David Greig symbol - there's a

> > deli or restaurant in the Herne Hill end of

> Half

> > Moon Lane that has the same motif and is

> therefore

> > the site of another David Greig shop.

>

> xxxxxx

>

> For some strange reason though, it wasn't called

> Thistles, it was called Thistells, if memory

> serves.

>

> Who knows why!

I'm now told that "chardon" is the French for "thistle". Which explains the current name of the restaurant and supports my law of French names, i.e. if there is a restaurant/shop that acquires a French name, the prices go up. A long time ago I saw on a menu "Mushroom omelette - ?1.50. Champignon omelette - ?2.00".

[gringas]

Reply to Computedshorty

That picture brings back memories, I think it was the 84 and 56 trams that used to terminate at the top of Peckham Rye. When we were kids the conductor would let us switch the seats back for the return journey. Thanks for that.

As you seem to know quite a bit about Dulwich, would you know anything about a mansion that was situated between Champion Hill and Sainsbury's before the war. We used to play there after the war and I remember it as being like the grounds of a mansion. There were terraces with stone balustrades and a huge stone fountain which the kids used to float doors on. There were bombed or derelict houses in the vicinity but I can't remember a really grand building.

[computedshorty]

The building we played in was made of green painted corrugated tin sheets three stories high. I remember the high tree that had a rope hanging from it we used to swing on it, as it was on the slope of the hill we could get pushed very high.

Do you remember the Grotto that was over the fence in Bessemer Grounds? the other side of Green Lane. A large lake with caves, later Dylways was built there.

At the bend at the top of Green Lane there was a closed farm type gate.

[Bic Basher]

Jagger Wrote:

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> In the early seventies the shops in the parade on

> Lordship Lane where Streamline was included a Spar

> (the lady who ran it had a budgie in a cage), Mr

> Rossi's sweet shop which would put Hope and

> Greenwood to shame with its selection of sweets in

> jars, the hardware shop run by a man in brown

> overalls, and Mr Nee's chemist where Barcelona was

> (it became a restaurant called La Pharmacia for a

> while, retaining all the fixtures and fittings -

> wooden cabinets and large glass apothecary bottles

> on display).

I take it Spar later became Dulwich Grocers which is now Ekrem and Co Accountants. Mr Rossi may have became Joe's in the 80s as I'd go in there for sweets in a jar and coca-cola in glass bottles.

[computedshorty]

Getting there in 1945,by number 56 Tram.

If you walked up to the junctions of Elland Road and Cheltenham Road and Peckham Rye,

at this the Terminus in the middle of the road, the arriving Tram driver is standing by.

He has reversed his driving position to return to the Thames Embankment and waits for you,

it is your choice to dismount at any place along the way, just pick a place it is what to do.

The red and cream painted double deck electric Tram, travels on a pair steel rails let in the road,

seventy eight persons are carried on the two decks making up the full capacity load.

To board a tram you have to mount the platform at the back, take the left entry to the left lower cabin,

or take the right entry to climb the curved staircase to the upper deck and choose the seat you are having.

Red leather seats that the backs can be reversed when the tram changes at its destination to return again,

buy your ticket from the Conductor to your destination for just a few Penny?s, shows a punch hole so plain.

The Conductor rings the bell that sounds in the drivers cabin to give the all clear to start and it moves,

the passengers start to feel the sway , as the tram wheels rotate in the sunken steel rail grooves.

Down the incline lumbers the heavy tram to Nunhead Lane junction with East Dulwich Road turning left.

halting outside the Peckham Rye Open Air Swimming Baths, to see the bathers from the top deck is best.

The high dive board has is full queue of divers waiting to take their turn to take that dive into the water,

those not so certain of their footing at the end of the diving board, makes those not so sure falter.

Goose Green is still that open green space, opposite where the Dulwich Swimming Baths is found,

just beyond is the junction of Lordship Lane and Grove Vale where our tram will be go round.

The large Cinema called the Odeon where you can see all the Films and News is on the left location,

a little further is the Railway Bridge crossing the road and the East Dulwich Southern Railway Station.

Dog Kennel Hill is a very steep hill, that has four sets of Tram rails set in the road here securely,

should a Tram blow a fuse and loose power, to slowly move back to the foot of the hill temporarily.

To start again on its assent to the top of the hill and bringing the passengers there without more event,

if you have experienced this happen while you are on board, your feelings then are quite unpleasant.

[pennyw]

You have just confirm something for my Grand Daughter who thought her Gran was crazy when told that there was a Muffin Man when I was a little girl in Dulwich. Having been born and grown up in South Africa this really was strange for her to understand, or that her Great Great Grand father used to light the Gas Street Lamps He worked for the Gas works for 25 years fought in both wars and died in 1956 from lung Cancer due to being Gassed in the Great War.

[jimbo1964]

The military memorabilia shop on Northcross Rd (next to Emiliy's). I remember an SS paratrooper uniform on display in the window.

[computedshorty]

This is a picture of a Muffin Man walking the streets.