So was it worth it? ( the recent festival on Peckham Rye)

[kai]

What happens to the ground when the circus is there every yesr?!

[dresswaves]

kai Wrote:

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> What happens to the ground when the circus is

> there every yesr?!

The circus is never there! The circus, Irish festival, fete etc are all held on the Rye (common) not in the Park.

[nxjen]

The thing about grass is it self renews very efficiently and quickly, helped along the way with a good shower of rain or two. In a couple of months, unless there is a drought which would destroy the grass anyway, you?ll never know it had been churned up, just like you?d never know today large scale equestrian events had been held in Greenwich Park.

[Penguin68]

nxjen is absolutely right - the 'damage' - bad as it may appear, is superficial. If the event organisers are obliged to make good (as I believe they are) this will be relatively simple.

[Nickyjohnson]

Well i must say after reading all the post how many of you actually use the park. I walk in that paek every day and i must say that on both days of the featival i was actually very surprised and happy. There was no rubbish or anything from the festival around the park. The event was properly organised.after the event there was some track marks but not to much damage and up till today they have nearly gone. I say hope they do it again next uear.

[Houseoflego]

Hi Ruffers,

I?m not massively against the event but needed to balance the idea of 0% damage or it being the same as sport damage. There are deep tractor prints over sections of the event area, deep enough to twist an ankle in parts. It needs some kind of roller as it won?t just flatten out. The grass will grow back fast enough this time of year if encouraged.

We do need to ensure that event organisers leave the site in a respectful sustainable manner and suggesting that there was no damage will not achieve that.

ruffers Wrote:

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> Out of the entire park the churned up areas are

> what? 0.00?.....%

>

> If we want to get like that I'm sure someone

> playing sport (who probably didn't pay a whacking

> fee to use it) has at times chewed up a little

> bit... Perspective people...

>

> And maybe, just maybe, some people from the

> council who were aware of the big picture

> negotiated this all in advance, and as

> professionals on our behalf came to an agreement

> with what appears to be a pretty reasonable

> festival organiser.

>

> From what I read and saw it all seems fine with

> the exception of music carrying up the hill. If

> it happens again I'd back anyone and be all in

> favour of some kind of acoustic barrier that way.

>

> Just saying (and thinking a bit)

[Penguin68]

I think the point is that (1) there was minimal damage and it should readily be recovered (at the expense of the event organisers) and (2) that this should be a learning opportunity for the future - the parks people are now aware of the type of damage that can be caused and can require the organisers to plan against that, by for instance bringing in temporary roadway to support vehicles (a rollable mesh, often). The weather was peculiarly damp this year (more so than is often the case) making the area more vulnerable - I have known times when you could have put tanks over the ground without much churning! Damage should not be prayed in aid against future events, but the potential for damage (and the type of damage) should be taken into account in future event planning and oversight by the Council. Reports suggest a lot of people (many I am sure local) got a lot of pleasure from the event. At no cost to the Council. That's positive.

[taper]

I thought this year's festivals were fine subject to the damage being righted. Brockwell Park though shows how these things can get out of hand and really compromise public access to and enjoyment of our parks.

[tiddles]

apologies if I missed it in a previous thread but do we have any idea how much Southwark Council got for this event, and how this money is spent (i.e. allocated to parks etc) I agree that the event seemed very well organised and the park is pretty much ok, but I echo houseoflego's points about the ankle twisting bits - if the grass is very long one may not spot them in the future.I am sure the other bits will recover soon enough.

[Renata Hamvas]

To update re the repair to the grass. The ground needs to be leveled and the problem at the moment is it's too dry! We have had little rain in the last month. Once we have a wet spell, the ground will be leveled and the ground reseeded.

Renata

[hpsaucey]

Hi Renata. Might have missed the info but assuming this work is being paid for by event organisers? Also hoping that it won?t use the time of the evidently reduced numbers of gardeners at PRP.

HP

[ruffers]

I'd hope the council had included this in the charge paid.

And are we serious about the dangers of twisting as ankle in long grass as a real peril..?

[JohnL]

Wow - Finsbury Park did not go well.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/fury-as-fans-caught-up-in-huge-queues-for-drinks-at-finsbury-park-for-liam-gallagher-and-queens-of-a3876631.html

I'd walk out and find a nearby pub - that's why I'm not a teen/twenty something I suppose :)

[uncleglen]

whenever I've been to an outdoor festival there have always been water points in a couple of places if people are desperate....

[JohnL]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> whenever I've been to an outdoor festival there

> have always been water points in a couple of

> places if people are desperate....

Water Smater It's beer I'd be after :0

[bodsier]

Renata can we have a breakdown of profits the festival receives, how much goes to the council, and lastly how this money is used ? Where can we find this information? Also throw about those who are directly affected by the festival to get free tickets and or compensation?

[kitemonkey]

Was some repair work supposed to be happenening to the rye or did I get wrong end of stick? I?ve just buggered my knee after tripping on a tractor rut left there. Should have been more careful obviously but it reminded me of this thread.. I guess the whole area looks aweful still due to the heatwave?

[Penguin68]

I think the remedial work was being held off until suitable weather for flattening/ re-seeding etc. I am hoping that our elected representatives (Renata?) are keeping an eye on this ball? Very wet weather followed by a longish heatwave has hardly been seasonal.

[Renata Hamvas]

Hi all,

I attended a meeting last week with We Are The Fair, Council Officers, other councillors (my Ward Colleague Vikki Mills and Cabinet member Rebecca Lury) and stakeholder groups. To report back for contractual reasons, the amount of payment to the Council by We are the Fair can't be revealed. The payment for the event is going towards funding free public events in the Southwark Parks.

The repairs haven't happened due to the weather. As Penguin says, it has gone from very wet to extremely dry a few days after the event. The rutted area is to be dug over and flattened, however the ground is too hard to use the necessary machinery at the moment, we need some substantial rain to soften the clay. Once this is done, the area will be reseeded. We are the Fair are paying for the reinstatement works.There was heavy rain immediately after the event. It became apparent during the discussions that the contractor involved in the dismantling of the fencing and equipment following the event did not follow procedure. There were routes for vehicles that had protective covering down, the vehicles didn't follow these. One large vehicle turned up a day late once the coverings had gone and caused further damage. The issue of contractors leaving cable ties on the ground was discussed.

The noise related to the event was discussed. From feedback from residents on Sunday it was noisy to the north and east of the event, more so than the west and south due to the positioning of the stages. Monday was much quieter (I had no noise complaints about Monday).

Dispersal went much more smoothly than expected (most of the local train services were suspended that weekend). There was heavy traffic for around 20 minutes after the end of the event. There were a couple of individuals who climbed back into the park after it was closed.

It was said that residents should have known about the event earlier (and councillors too!)

One of the stakeholders said he had attended the Monday event and had found it to be well organised and enjoyable. He said that there was a diverse group of attendees. The organisers are analysing the post-code data to see where attendees lived. Preliminary feedback was that a significant proportion of those attending were local residents.

Renata

[uncleglen]

bodsier Wrote:

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> Renata can we have a breakdown of profits the

> festival receives, how much goes to the council,

> and lastly how this money is used ? Where can we

> find this information? Also throw about those

> who are directly affected by the festival to get

> free tickets and or compensation?

From Renata- ', the amount of payment to the Council by We are the Fair can't be revealed. The payment for the event is going towards funding free public events in the Southwark Parks.'

Surely council finances- ALL council finances are public domain....

[Sue]

Renata Hamvas Wrote:

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>The organisers are analysing

> the post-code data to see where attendees lived.

> Preliminary feedback was that a significant

> proportion of those attending were local

> residents.

>

>

Interested to read this.

We sell tickets via WeGotTickets, and we used to get the postcodes of ticket purchasers, which was useful for us to see how far people came for a particular gig, for future promotion purposes for example.

I recently had a communication from WeGotTickets to say that they would no longer provide these postcodes, due to the recent data protection changes.

[Renata Hamvas]

Hi Sue,

this is what the company said, I think it was quite general postcode information ie proportion of tickets sold to SE15/SE22 postcodes.

Renata

[Sue]

Ah OK, thanks.

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

Not only Peckham Rye according to this:

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/aug/31/londons-parks-accused-of-creeping-privatisation-of-public-spaces

[FightingFit]

...so what