To the 10-15 boys who were just caught stealing bottles from Tesco's Local

[binkylilyput]

Ok respect and everything for attempting to intervene in a crime...... but the tone of your post is just nasty and you've insulted more people than you've gained support from

What's your accent like I wonder?

[El Presidente]

I've been patrolling Tesco with my nunchukas recently and no one has nicked anything. Problem solved.

[Gloves]

I have my nunchukas in a Calico bag.

[edcam]

It's far more likely that their accents were MLE.

[jimbo1964]

edcam Wrote:

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> It's far more likely that their accents were MLE.

I had to look that up:

Multicultural London English (abbreviated MLE) is a sociolect of English that emerged in the late twentieth century. It is spoken authentically by the low classes.

[edcam]

"The low classes". Where did that google search take you, The Lexicon of Jacob Rees-Mogg?! :-)

I read the other day that MLE has become so prevalent, so quickly that by 2040, the cockney accent will be gone completely.

jimbo1964 Wrote:

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> edcam Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

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> > It's far more likely that their accents were

> MLE.

>

> I had to look that up:

>

> Multicultural London English (abbreviated MLE) is

> a sociolect of English that emerged in the late

> twentieth century. It is spoken authentically by

> the low classes.

[Hemingway]

my Grandad and Nan had proper 'Cor blimey' 'Stone the crows' accents, long gone except on Pathe Films nowadays. But all accents move on, watching '63 up' this weeks shows that the incredibly stilted RP of the posh kids in 1963(?) has mellowed into something far less posh sounding as they hit their 60s.

[Sue]

edcam Wrote:

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> "The low classes". Where did that google search

> take you, The Lexicon of Jacob Rees-Mogg?! :-)

:)) :)) :))

[PeckhamRose]

Is theft still a crime? Why are we all so upset that this woman told us about it? I don't care that she did so in a way that may have upset you all. She recorded it and doubtlessly told the police and showed them. And yes, MLE is a 'thing'.

[tallulah71]

I agree PeckhamRose - she really couldn't win from the outset. She was told to have a go herself (as opposed to record the incident; surely more helpful for police) then lambasted for suggesting that the bloke watching should have intervened. Who cares if she thought they were whiney? - they may well have been! - that really wasn't the main point of the OP.

[TheCat]

tallulah71 Wrote:

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> I agree PeckhamRose - she really couldn't win from

> the outset.

No, in fact she could have 'won'...quite easily in my view. But chose, instead, to offer some inflammatory character judgements (with only one of those even being relevant to the actual 'criminals') in her first two posts. Raising awareness of a crime is one thing, but was there a need to do it with the following quotes....

?as opposed to the standing gormlessly by like the "men" in there were?

?it's typical behaviour of the men in this area. Jogging around & staring gormlessly as drama kicks off is clearly the new East Dulwich look?

?whiny cockney accent?

?you may wish to polish up on your parenting skills?

And you wonder why some people seemed a little irked by the tone of the OP?

[Humdinger]

Because she came across as an attention seeking do gooder, trying to get admiration for doing something so heroic as to film a few teenagers nicking a beer or two from Tesco. Whoopy do!

[TheCat]

Humdinger Wrote:

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> Because she came across as an attention seeking do

> gooder, trying to get admiration for doing

> something so heroic as to film a few teenagers

> nicking a beer or two from Tesco. Whoopy do!

you said it better and more succinctly than I did:)

[Earl Aelfheah]

This is a depressing thread on about every possible level.

[sillywoman]

El Presidente Wrote:

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> I've been patrolling Tesco with my nunchukas

> recently and no one has nicked anything. Problem

> solved.

Could you please patrol the Tesco in Herne Hill? My son works there and has twice in the last 6 months been beaten up - requiring A&E & stitches - for attempting to apprehend shoplifters (he's not the security guard by the way). He has an overdeveloped sense of right & wrong & insists that he will not stop trying to stop the thieves. I live in fear that one of these days, one of the shoplifters he tackles will have a knife or a gun. You and your Nunchukas could make that a little less likely..

(I know you were adding some levity to this rather depressing thread El P, and I'm not serious of course about your help)

But, I did want to raise the reality of the dangers these people pose to the shop workers. Maybe the OP didn't use PC terminology but she was coming from the right place by posting to raise awareness, and maybe to let the scum-bags know that they are being watched - that just because they walked away doesn't mean there will be no consequences to their crime. With Police resources and manpower at a low, we the community need to step up in our vigilance and willingness to step in to help when weaker members are being attacked or crimes are committed in front of us. Whether it's by filming on our phones to help the police, paying close attention so you can give police a good description, following at a safe distance when they walk away to help police find them, or actually stepping in to help physically if you feel able. Our world is becoming more lawless, our elected representatives don't seem to care much because mostly they appear to live in the rarefied atmosphere of a different world order, so communities need to get used to taking on more responsibility for policing ourselves and doing more to help ourselves to keep our communities safe.

[El Presidente]

sillywoman Wrote:

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> El Presidente Wrote:

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> > I've been patrolling Tesco with my nunchukas

> > recently and no one has nicked anything.

> Problem

> > solved.

>

> Could you please patrol the Tesco in Herne Hill?

> My son works there and has twice in the last 6

> months been beaten up - requiring A&E & stitches -

> for attempting to apprehend shoplifters (he's not

> the security guard by the way). He has an

> overdeveloped sense of right & wrong & insists

> that he will not stop trying to stop the thieves.

> I live in fear that one of these days, one of the

> shoplifters he tackles will have a knife or a gun.

> You and your Nunchukas could make that a little

> less likely..

>

> (I know you were adding some levity to this rather

> depressing thread El P, and I'm not serious of

> course about your help)

>

> But, I did want to raise the reality of the

> dangers these people pose to the shop workers.

> Maybe the OP didn't use PC terminology but she was

> coming from the right place by posting to raise

> awareness, and maybe to let the scum-bags know

> that they are being watched - that just because

> they walked away doesn't mean there will be no

> consequences to their crime. With Police resources

> and manpower at a low, we the community need to

> step up in our vigilance and willingness to step

> in to help when weaker members are being attacked

> or crimes are committed in front of us. Whether

> it's by filming on our phones to help the police,

> paying close attention so you can give police a

> good description, following at a safe distance

> when they walk away to help police find them, or

> actually stepping in to help physically if you

> feel able. Our world is becoming more lawless, our

> elected representatives don't seem to care much

> because mostly they appear to live in the rarefied

> atmosphere of a different world order, so

> communities need to get used to taking on more

> responsibility for policing ourselves and doing

> more to help ourselves to keep our communities

> safe.

Worried that if I leave there will be a mass raid so will get my mate Brian to pop over. He's crap with nunchuks but is an expert shuriken practitioner so will be fine.

[cella]

TheCat Wrote:

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> Humdinger Wrote:

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> > Because she came across as an attention seeking

> do

> > gooder, trying to get admiration for doing

> > something so heroic as to film a few teenagers

> > nicking a beer or two from Tesco. Whoopy do!

>

> you said it better and more succinctly than I

> did:)

You two are definitely the same horrible poster.

[seenbeen]

Loutwo Wrote:

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> Not entirely true. Maybe inner London- but I?ve

> heard Cockney accents from younger people further

> into the outer boroughs.

>

> Louisa.

You are correct- all the Asian teens in Newham speak with cockney accents

[jonnywalker]

Maybe reconsider how you post your views. Whilst trying to raise awareness of an issue you've witnessed, your tone is pompous and derogatory, causing offence to many people. My Dad was a cockney and proud of it, born in the sound of bow bells at Barts. I too have a broad London accent as I was born and brought up in this great City. My whole adult life I've had to put up with people making assumptions of who I am based on their prejudice of my regional accent. Good to see this stereotyping is alive and well in East Dulwich.

[seenbeen]

Yes jonnywalker- I blame the BBC personally...

[VelvetBlueberry]

Yeah Jonnywalker, I wont reconsider how I post my views. If it's ruffling the feathers of the politically correct I'm afraid that's more your problem & not mine. Do you want to call me a racist for mentioning that they're white too? No, of course not. But if I said they were of any other skin tone I'm sure plenty would have something to say. Get over yourself. I have nothing against anyones accent. I too am born in SE London. You think I'm not familiar with local accents? It's because you don't hear cockney around here as much (dare I say I hear more accents of people who have obviously moved in from out of London) which is why I used it to simply describe this group.

Get over it.

[binkylilyput]

That isn't simply what you did though is it?

VelvetBlueberry Wrote:

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> Yeah Jonnywalker, I wont reconsider how I post my

> views. If it's ruffling the feathers of the

> politically correct I'm afraid that's more your

> problem & not mine. Do you want to call me a

> racist for mentioning that they're white too? No,

> of course not. But if I said they were of any

> other skin tone I'm sure plenty would have

> something to say. Get over yourself. I have

> nothing against anyones accent. I too am born in

> SE London. You think I'm not familiar with local

> accents? It's because you don't hear cockney

> around here as much (dare I say I hear more

> accents of people who have obviously moved in from

> out of London) which is why I used it to simply

> describe this group.

>

> Get over it.

[nxjen]

If you have nothing against anyone?s accent, why did you describe it as whiny?

[seenbeen]

Oh dear- I hope this type of crime is not making a comeback

https://news.sky.com/story/mobile-phone-steaming-thieves-are-jailed-10450614

[VelvetBlueberry]

Oh I'm sorry, Snowflake. It was a cheerful cockney accent.

Seriously. Does anybody here care for the crime rate in London or are you all just far too concerned with your feelings getting hurt by the way something is described in the heat of the moment? ... Anymore snowflake comments in this thread & you wont get a response out of me. I just came here to notify & warn those involved. Am I expecting a pat on the back from a community forum of labour supporters? How stupid do you think I am? If you want the crime rate to continue going up then by all means continue doing nothing but whine about trivial things like how the thieves were described... which at the end of the day is only a fact.

nxjen Wrote:

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> If you have nothing against anyone?s accent, why

> did you describe it as whiny?