Margot Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 The plane flight noise has got better recently. I was noticing them all the time the first six months of the year even when i wasn't thinking about them and every time i looked at the sky i could see 3 or 4. But I think it must be true that they change flight paths every so often because i am hardly noticing them at the moment. Thank bloody goodness. But I'm sure they'll be back. If Boris moves Heathrow to the Thames Estuary I'll love him forever. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3868-flightpaths-over-ed/page/5/#findComment-135573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margot Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 You're right Cicely. we must do something. I used to love living in Nunhead because it is so quiet - we have no cars passing in our street - it's actually much quieter than a lot of people I know living in country villages which have a lot of traffic going through the main road. And then the planes which have now disturbed my quiet idyll, which is really annoying. Although they are a bit quieter at the moment. Earlier in the year I nearly went insane at their loudness and frequency. And you're right about stress levels - I can feel mine going up when the planes fly over all the time. Also I've noticed that Myself and my children have so many more problems these days with sinuses and blocked Eustachian tubes etc - I bet you aircraft pollution is contributing to that. God, it makes me so pissed off. Now I'm wishing Idid't bring my kids up in London. Maybe I've given them a lifetime of health problems. Don't get me started on mobile phone masts. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3868-flightpaths-over-ed/page/5/#findComment-135580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asset Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 You are not noticing them at the moment because we have been having winds from the East for the last week, this means the landing direction is different. Winds set to change from tomorrow so we can expect the early morning inter-continentals again. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3868-flightpaths-over-ed/page/5/#findComment-135592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moos Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Definitely noticed the flights back over the weekend - one quite low and right over my (Peckham) house every five minutes or so, plus fillers-in higher up and a bit further north every minute or two, all heading resolutely westward. Bless them. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3868-flightpaths-over-ed/page/5/#findComment-135869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Hmmm - some extra noise BUT balmy weather... or less noise and cloudy grey meh.Can I choose? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3868-flightpaths-over-ed/page/5/#findComment-135872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moos Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Only if you make the right choice, m'sieur. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3868-flightpaths-over-ed/page/5/#findComment-135892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 I see Tessa Jowell has a meeting in Barry Road next Saturday morning (15 November) which unfortunately I can't go to.Is anyone else going, and are they going to raise the issue of plane noise? I have had no response from whichever department she passed my email to aeons ago, and I have raised it again in my feedback sheet to her which was enclosed with the meeting invitation.I am so sick of this, I was woken by planes in the very early hours of this morning, could not get back to sleep again and they seemed to be very frequent, very low and even louder than usual. I ended up getting up at 7am on a Sunday morning rather than lying in bed awake waiting for the next ******* plane to come over(6) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3868-flightpaths-over-ed/page/5/#findComment-145992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peckhamgatecrasher Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 I've told you a million times Sue, don't exaggerate. The first one was at 5am this morning. Much better than the summer! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3868-flightpaths-over-ed/page/5/#findComment-145999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllforNun Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 There is something going on, way more planes coming over. No doubt the pressure from certain groups and politicians out west has started to have some effect, "not in my backyard" has clearly worked.....now they are in yours ! It seems to have all started soon after Boris hit office. Maybe they think we would be a softer touch then the Kew set !You could use the freedom of information act to get flight data for the last few years, i think it would make an interesting read. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3868-flightpaths-over-ed/page/5/#findComment-146004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
benmorg Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 AllforNun Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> There is something going on, way more planes> coming over. No doubt the pressure from certain> groups and politicians out west has started to> have some effect, "not in my backyard" has clearly> worked.....now they are in yours ! It seems to> have all started soon after Boris hit office.> Maybe they think we would be a softer touch then> the Kew set !> > You could use the freedom of information act to> get flight data for the last few years, i think it> would make an interesting read.are you saying they've stopped flying over kew and are now approaching heathrow via east dulwich instead? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3868-flightpaths-over-ed/page/5/#findComment-146013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Peckhamgatecrasher Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I've told you a million times Sue, don't> exaggerate. The first one was at 5am this morning.> Much better than the summer!xxxxxxI'm sure it was earlier than 5am, PGC (6):) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3868-flightpaths-over-ed/page/5/#findComment-146015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izodia Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Kew is east of Heathrow too...so if they fly over us, they fly over Kew too but even lower.There was a lovely 5am flight on Sunday morning that roused me. But actually, I'd been thinking it had been quieter recently? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3868-flightpaths-over-ed/page/5/#findComment-146118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllforNun Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 There are 2 flight paths, i think someone else has pointed that out. You can get the maps/routes of the internet. It is up to some one some where which flights take which routes and volume. Wind has been mentioned as a factor in this. However wind or no wind something has changed in the last 6 months it's so obvious. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3868-flightpaths-over-ed/page/5/#findComment-146132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcedOut Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 They come in lower over ED than they used to (exact path is wind-dependent) - I think this is to reduce noise closer to the airport, since they can glide in with less thrust/engine noise. Personally I've never had much sympathy for people that have chosen to live near an airport, so they must fix the problem for us ;) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3868-flightpaths-over-ed/page/5/#findComment-146145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 So the gist of the argument appears to be that because the residents of West London have been organised and petitioned successfully, we in South London suffer a little bit more? But if we in South London petition more successfully then the people in West London suffer a little bit more?Wow....solidarity brothers and sisters Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3868-flightpaths-over-ed/page/5/#findComment-146147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Strange... I have never, ever been troubled - let alone woken up - by a plane, all the time I've lived in East Dulwich and Camberwell. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3868-flightpaths-over-ed/page/5/#findComment-146160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Max Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3868-flightpaths-over-ed/page/5/#findComment-146165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Jeremy Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Strange... I have never, ever been troubled - let> alone woken up - by a plane, all the time I've> lived in East Dulwich and Camberwell.xxxxxxYou must either sleep very soundly or have double or treble glazing. Or sleep on the ground floor where maybe the noise from the planes is less obvious? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3868-flightpaths-over-ed/page/5/#findComment-146174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedley_Lamarr Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 There were way more planes that usual coming over on Sunday morning. Very early as well but I didn't look at my clock because I was half asleep.Annoying. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3868-flightpaths-over-ed/page/5/#findComment-146192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcedOut Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Capacity at City increasing 50%, so that's no going to help! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3868-flightpaths-over-ed/page/5/#findComment-146202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grabot Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 The first plane on Sunday morning was 4am and it was a particularly noisy beast; I did look at my clock and I was in a slightly bad mood for the rest of the day. Still, previously no postings since the end of September, so, we've had quite a long break. I have been angry about the governments blatant disregard for hard working Londoners in the past, the lies and broken promises about nighttime flights. But, I have learnt to accept it as an inevitable force, like gravity. No point in trying to do anything about it. They don't care about us. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3868-flightpaths-over-ed/page/5/#findComment-146298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 They appeared to be coming in abnormally low on Sunday morning to avoid the particularly dense cloud. The cloud then reflected the noise back to ED resident's bedrooms.(Like most of the posts in this thread, this is pure speculation, with no scientific basis.) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3868-flightpaths-over-ed/page/5/#findComment-146321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedley_Lamarr Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 grabot Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> No point in trying to do anything about> it. I dunno, a couple of Stinger missiles might do the job? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3868-flightpaths-over-ed/page/5/#findComment-146329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianr Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 You can see at least the previous day's flights charted at http://lhr.webtrak-lochard.com/ , at up to 10x real-time.Selecting Lewisham gives you a map showing the ED area. Here are the ones appearing 03:55-05:30 on Sunday 9/11.I've listed time, height in feet, transit point, and approx bearing. None of these early flight tags included a flight number.The Avondale Rise ones tend to be just north of AR and of the top of Dog Kennel Hill. The 05:00 one is probably on another, more southerly, main westbound path that we sometimes notice over ED. The ones going over the Dulwich park area were coming from the SE.When I looked at some daytime paths, there was another very steady stream filtering in just north of Camberwell Green. I wonder if both the Camberwell and Avondale streams are shifted south in some wind conditions, giving us the stream over the LL/EDGrove junction. 4:30 4500 Avondale Rise 2704:33 4400 Avondale 2704:36 4400 Avondale 2704:39 4300 Avondale 2704:42 4200 Court Lane 2854:51 4100 Burbage Rd 2954:57 3700 Avondale Rise almost due west5:00 3200 Jn, LL + ED Grove ~ 2755:03 3800 Avondale 2705:05 4500 Avondale 2705:09 4500 Avondale 2705:13 4000 Avondale 2705:16 3900 Avondale 2705:19 4500 Avondale 2705:22 4300 Avondale 2705:30 4400 Just s of Avondale ~ 270Cor, this don't half beat collecting train numbers.[Edit: addendum: note that the site seeks to log only Heathrow flights; any others will be incidental extras] Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3868-flightpaths-over-ed/page/5/#findComment-146349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grabot Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Barrage balloons would be pretty effective. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3868-flightpaths-over-ed/page/5/#findComment-146352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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