Draft House closing

[DaveR]

"I don't think it will be much longer before Adventure Bar move out, every time I walk past it seems half empty. Whereas the ones in other areas are rammed most nights. Oh Lordship Lane what have these nappy valley yummiest and their banker hubby's done to you?"

I nearly missed this. Anybody who thinks that yummy mummies/bankers are the target market for the Adventure Bar has clearly never set foot inside the place.

[Penguin68]

I think the point is that yummy mummies etc. specifically aren't the Adventure Bar demographic - as they have moved in they have moved-on that demographic - hence their influence on Lordship lane (by not being party animals) has been malign. Bankers and yummies don't have the energy/ presence for late evening LL shennanigans.

[DaveR]

I think you're being overly generous to the poster there, and the comment still doesn't make any sense.

[jimmyraj]

I think the market's just widened around ED in the last couple of years - there are genuine alternatives on either side of ED to go out to, whether that's Peckham or Camberwell or Forest Hill which have made the market more competitive. Most of LL seems pretty busy on a Friday night but there's definitely some empty seats around on week nights.

Personally I loved Draft House - friendly service and great beers - and will be sad to see it go but there is a lot of pubs on the strip and probably not enough people out of an evening to sustain them all. All things to all men places like the EDT and Bishop which offer a decent enough range of beer and food will probably fair best. Lord only knows how the Cherry Tree keeps on surviving

[MrBen]

DaveR Wrote:

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> I think you're being overly generous to the poster

> there, and the comment still doesn't make any

> sense.

I think you just misinterpreted it Dave. I think Louisa's spot on with the observation. East Dulwich is no longer the only show in this part of town. Peckham and Camberwell have got interesting and are now the default choice for the local sub 30-something crowd, whilst ED has become more and more a family area.

When I was 25 I'd happily go out for a few on a Tuesday night. But young family types rarely go out midweek - more likely weekenders when the babysitters in. So I actually think the potential demographic for midweek custom has narrowed not widened. And that subtle shift is now hurting an already saturated Lordship Lane.

The smart startups were picking a spot on Bellenden Road surrounds 3 years ago.

[MrBen]

One other thought....whilst I get Louisa's point, there really aren't too many bankers living in East Dulwich. They're all living in much nicer areas!

[Louisa]

MrBen Wrote:

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> One other thought....whilst I get Louisa's point,

> there really aren't too many bankers living in

> East Dulwich. They're all living in much nicer

> areas!

MrBen I agree, probably more Dulwich Village than here. Although, that family orientated demographic has increased in recent years and surely it has in some way affected the footfall in LL on a week night. I take the point about Peckham and Forest Hills emergence from the shadows.

Louisa.

[MrBen]

Lots of cello teachers in the Village. And 7am on a sunday car washers. It's a happening place.

[Jeremy]

MrBen Wrote:

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> One other thought....whilst I get Louisa's point,

> there really aren't too many bankers living in

> East Dulwich. They're all living in much nicer

> areas!

I think this is true up until recently, but I do find myself wondering what these people buying ?1m+ houses do for a living... that's going to be a bit of a stretch for your average programmer or accountant.

[cle]

People just riding the wave - they never have the wealth themselves but if 10 years ago they bought a flat for 100k and moved 2/3 times (doing some improvements to each place) it's easy to see where you'd get the 200k equity for a deposit.

Millionaires and even people on 250k+ don't buy 1m houses - they either buy much bigger or quite often rent in fancier areas - with a main house elsewhere.

[jimbo1964]

I wouldn't say there are that many bankers in ED. It's more a lawyer kind of area.

[LondonMix]

People who make 250k a year do tend to live in homes that cost circa 1m. Banker's above VP level make more than that though. Also, younger high earning professionals are more happy to spend that 1m on a flat closer to town than an older professional with children who will be looking for an area where that budget can buy them a house.

[lane lover]

Back to the topic ... its a shame the Draft House is closing.

But I think Franco Manca will be an amazing addition to the Lane.

Even the lawyers with big houses could afford it!

[jimbo1964]

Franco Manca will be good I think. I've only been to the one in Brixton a couple of times but really like it.

[Kingy]

anyone queueing already ?

[KidKruger]

depends what you mean by 'banker'. someone who works in a bank or.... ?

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[Mick Mac]

Kingy Wrote:

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> anyone queueing already ?

Rhetorical questions I'm sure but anyway: Queued for Burger and Lobster off Picadilly last Weds night. Queueing meant standing outside briefly and then at the bar having a drink for 40 mins. Don't mind doing that at all and was worth it.

[titch juicy]

I don't understand the burger and lobster concept. If I'm reading it right you pay ?20 and can have either a lobster or a burger.

Who in their right mind would pay ?20 for a burger and queue for the privilege?

[Otta]

Quite! Or wait 40 minutes for the thing.

[James]

I believe there have been experiments where fake queues are set up and passers-by join them, assuming that if there is a queue it must be somethinmg worth queuing for.

[Penguin68]

I believe there have been experiments where fake queues ...

I think this is only in societies/ circumstances where queuing is normal - i.e. where there is rationing or there are regular shortages, or where a queue might be expected, for instance the Boxing Day sales (when sales at Christmas started on Boxing Day).

[El Pibe]

"I think this is only in societies/ circumstances where queuing is normal"

I lament its passing every time there's a scrum to get on a bus.

[Mick Mac]

titch juicy Wrote:

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> I don't understand the burger and lobster concept.

> If I'm reading it right you pay ?20 and can have

> either a lobster or a burger.

>

> Who in their right mind would pay ?20 for a burger

> and queue for the privilege?

Guess what - you queue for the ?20 lobster, not the ?20 burger. The burger is probably there for anyone who doesn't want lobster but almost everyone seemed to be on lobster.

[Jah Lush]

So how was it cooked this ?20 lobster. Was it the 70s favourite lobster thermidore?