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RD nailed it. I was in the England members club for years and went to Wembley a lot and was always pissed off when Becks etc got stick and the 'stand up' crap came out. Always thought it was about England but apparently not. Left a very bad taste and to a certain extent I can't blame United fans.

Hmmm. Have to agree with the Manc support on this one.


There's a saying in Liverpool "We're not English, we're Scouse", which is down to football but also because a lot of liverpool folk feel let down by how they've been outcast by the rest of the country.


Whether you get it or not, football is like a religion up there and it's club over country every time. Actually feels quite hypocritical cheering on Ferdinand when he's wearing an England shirt and I just can't get in to it.


One thing that you will rarely ever see at Anfield is a St George's cross with "Bootle reds" or whatever, across the middle. However I have often noticed them at Old Trafford or with the united travelling support.


On the other side I also agree with Atila in the sense that whatever Ronaldo did against England it was also to a team mate and I found that all a little peculiar.


If the above makes no sense, it's because i'm a bit drunk and therefore i'm sorry.


PS - red devil, you go from one end of the spectrum to the other there with Miss Ellison. Funny though.

red devil Wrote:

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> ...oops my mistake, it's Atila spouting shite

> again...now let me enlighten the cerebrally

> challenged amongst us, Utd fans chant Argentina to

> the Argentinian Carlos Tevez because he's

> from...yes that's right, Argentina!, just like the

> West Ham fans did, whisper it amongst you but some

> of those traitor Irons even wore Argie shirts,

> have they no shame?..

>

> maybe the so called England fans would like to

> explain why Utd players, sometimes half the

> outfield team, were regularly booed by the london

> based England fans at the old Wembley, also

> singing 'stand up if you hate man u'?; in response

> to this Utd fans when in Ldn would chant

> 'Argentina' as a wind-up response, and this has

> now gained popularity in recent years because of

> the Argentinian players; it was only when the old

> Wembley closed and games went around the country

> that real fans, not Ldn plastics, got to see

> England play...



The smell you've discovered must be because your nose is too near your arse.

red devil Wrote:

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> Did someone let off a fart?...



No you must be standing in a group of ManUre supporters having an "enlightened" conversation about football hence the smell of horse shit.

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