The Plough Pub

[*Bob*]

Tom,

I'm not defending crappy old pubs!

What I suppose I meant was: there are still lots of pubs in London in which you get all the good stuff of the current crop of ED pubs (good food, no fighting, friendly atmosphere, full of punters) but which have managed to avoid the toll of gruesome refurbs over the decades. So you've got places with lots of original charm remaining, and I suppose, a wider mix of people inside (the older clientele still come, the younger clientele appreciate the character too).

But once you've had a bad refurb somewhere down the line, you can't put the character back (unless you like drinking in places with a dodgy mock-tudor makeover)

The people who took-over the pubs and bars in ED did exactly the right thing. I'm just saying it's a shame there aren't a couple of older pubs which made it through without being mucked about with over the years - I think lots of people here (old and new to the area) would appreciate them now.

[jim_the_chin]

would the dog be an example of what you're talking about bob? i can't really think of any others in the 21, 22, 23 area.

[TillieTrotter]

Its just occurred to me that the company that owns the Dog have just taken on the Plough. So there you go, it will be the same formula.

[Keef]

The Dog is still quite pub like, and (although I'm not a big fan), The Palmerston has kept a lot of it's original look.... The Plough, the Bishop, and The Magdalla are unrecognisable from the pubs they used to be.

BarryRoad is right, the CPT "Lounge Bar" side is nice... They reupholstered the seats a few months back, so it's comfortable, and there is a nice fire.

Tom, believe me, there are local tw@ts doing coke in the toilets of even the most trendy of bars, not just The Plough!

[*Bob*]

I think there's probably a distinction between a pub with someone doing drugs in the toilet, and a pub with someone dealing drugs in the toilet.

NB - I say 'a' pub - mentioning none in particular. Although lets face it, it basically all of them these days.

Did anyone see the BBC London News EXPOSE! (snigger) where the reporter went into 3 or 4 bars in Soho and DISCOVERED that there were traces of cocaine in the toilets of all of them?

Nice one, Einstein!

[Jah Lush]

That's great news Tillie. I've been a regular in the Dog for over 30 years and I can honestly say that the present management team of Duncan and Nikki are the best they've ever had in my experience. So, if the same company is taking over the Plough and they can get the management and the refurb right then it's good news all round for everybody.(tu)

[TillieTrotter]

Too true, Jah. They're a brilliant team.

[mockney piers]

ANy idea who does? I believe the refurb was when it was under the guise of being a young's pub, but it doesn't seem to have any connection with them now; maybe something to do with them getting their hands on the clockhouse and the grove

[TillieTrotter]

idea who does what? Owns the chain?

[mockney piers]

Well, which brewery owns the Dog.

Cains of Liverpool by all accounts

[TillieTrotter]

I think its the Six Continents, they also own The Commercial, The Pheonix etc etc

[Keef]

Lets hope it doesn't end up like the Pheonix!!!!

On the coke in the loo thing.... The manager of the CPT was telling me that they'd sprayed all the surfaces to stop this happening, so some w@nker smashed a tile off the wall for his line!!!!!!! They now spray the walls too ;-)

NOTE: The CPT isn't a druggy pub, as as *bob* says, it happens all over.

[Tom]

Furry-muff (fair enuff)

I look forward seeing what it turns out like. As I think we all agree, anything is better than it was.

Maybe we can ask them for a pram park outside as it will almost certainly be over run with mclaren off road xp things.

The only drugs needed then will be chocolate and the little ones will be bouncing off the walls!

[Bleep]

The Plough is at the bottom of my road and yet after nearly a year of living in ED I've yet to go there. If it's changing hands then I might end up popping in there after work. Ack.

[dungdag]

Always hated the Plough - inde pub with or without gastro food and prices gets my vote.

Oh - and don't dis the music at the Bishop!

[JADED]

In the wake of "APOCALYPSE PLOUGH", little blue signs have gone up that reveal the new owners as Mitchells & Butlers. This means that we might be expecting an All Bar One, or an O'Neill's, or, horror of horrors, a Harvester!

[Keef]

I think there's an All Bar One in Forest Hill, so they're not far away..... :-S

[TillieTrotter]

Maybe the company has changed but its definately the same guys who own the Dog, Commercial etc

[Ant]

Oh joy.

edit: that sarcasm was in response to the prospect of an All Bar One. A Dog Mk II would be more welcome.

[Jah Lush]

Too close the Harvester 400 yards up the road and please God, that's gotta go too.

[TillieTrotter]

Just checked out JADED's link and they do indeed own the Dog, so that shouldnt be too bad:)-D

[Ant]

Definitely ought to have EDF drinks there if it turns out to be Dog II. :D

[Bony Fido]

The Plough has been owned by the same chain for at last the last 30 years - it was a Charringtons pub in 1979 when I first moved to Dulwich (this was part of the Bass group back then , they have subsequently become part of Mitchell and Butlers current empire.) The "Goose" and later "JustSo" brands are (were)part of the same chain.

[USAJ]

I heard there might be wine bar. How many wine bars do we need they hardly have anyone in them anyone.

[SeanMacGabhann]

Er. How many wine bars do we have and which ones are empty. I can only think of green and blue as a wine bar and i have never seen it empty. The plough on the other hand was often packed. With tumble weed