Jump to content

Recommended Posts

*Bob* Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Well, Lenk.. according to which camp you're in:

>

> a) civilization as we know it in Britain has

> ceased to exist and the only workable remedy is to

> bring back hanging.

>

> b) group hugs and Clannad piped from loudspeakers

> on street corners could provide the answer.

>

>

> Reality and truth, as ever, will be somewhere in

> the middle. But don't expect to find that on here.


Never mind Clannad *Bob*, I'd flog that off to Morrisey as a song title for his next LP.

Though he might alter it to 'Reality and truth someshere in the middle will be'.

Morrisey, there was someone who understood and embraced the street thug. at least the ethos. At lest of some of the white ones.

Peckhamgatecrasher Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> g. never




g. Wasn?t an option but .......... hey ho



Probably the one I should have added.



Use of stop and search maybe an urban myth?

Invented to make liberals revolt about something that hardly ever happens.



So Peckhamgatecrasher


How about your daughter any info on the reasons for the stabbings or is she keeping mum mum?

Just to refresh you all especially those who are so anti SnS?s




How many stop and searches have you seen in the last 12 months.


A. On Lordship during the day?


B. Anywhere else in East Dulwich during the day?


C. Anywhere else London during the day?


D. Anywhere else in the UK during the day?


E. On a council estate during a Police raid?


F. Following an incident outside Night Club or similar at night.




OR go with Peckhamgatecrasher



g. never ever seen a stop and search.

Blimey people, over 18,000 views of this thread. Is this a record for the EDF? Actually a quick check says there are some old time threads in the Lounge still ahead of it:


19,700 "A joke"

19,900 "Quiet room"


But still way out there in front...


29,000 "Seen anyone famous in East Dulwich?"


An interesting reflection of local priorities.

Re Stop and search.


My son (23 white) has been stopped and the car searched some 8 times in the last 3 months. Each time has been between East Dulwich and Tulse Hill timing varying between 3pm and 2am. He has no convictions and a full clean license. Is it possible that he fits the profile to balance the figures for stop and search?

sad to admit it but I had long hair and often wore it in a pony tail in the early 90s...i was quite often stopped including in my car and haven't been stopped since the day i had my hair cut off but to prove it wasn't just the police who have prejudices, i was almost constantly asked if i'd got any pills to sell in clubs and bars

Reg Smeeton Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Blimey people, over 18,000 views of this thread.

> Is this a record for the EDF? Actually a quick

> check says there are some old time threads in the

> Lounge still ahead of it:

>

> 19,700 "A joke"

> 19,900 "Quiet room"

>

> But still way out there in front...

>

> 29,000 "Seen anyone famous in East Dulwich?"

>

> An interesting reflection of local priorities.


Really? Is that really a reflection? Well I felt obliged to double check this and lo and behold this thread has achieved it's viewing figures over 5 days whilst the other 3 threads you mention have each taken over 830 days. Big difference.

my mate was car stop searched on the old kent road and was told it was because she was white and they needed to even up the numbers so they didn't seem prejudice. I honestly don't know if they're a good idea or not but i spose if you think of it along the lines of say a million stop searches save just one life then they must be worth it.


8 times in 3 months would peeve you right off though!

???? Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> sad to admit it but I had long hair and often wore

> it in a pony tail in the early 90s...i was quite

> often stopped including in my car and haven't been

> stopped since the day i had my hair cut off but to

> prove it wasn't just the police who have

> prejudices, i was almost constantly asked if i'd

> got any pills to sell in clubs and bars


Quids, 20 to 23 years ago I might have made a bit of a faux-chummy kind of request for a price list or somesuch.

Now I don't go in for anything other than what's prescribed by my GP through pharma and what I self medicate via the drinks industry.

The fact that I find the most disturbing aspect of your post is the phrase 'almost constantly' says more about me than I could ever say about myself, personally.

You're OK Quids, there may be grammarians who will say that your choice of words was incorrect or that I was incorrect in my challenge.

My defence will be that I was lagged to the gills on Peroni, may I respectfully suggest that you imply you were hopped-up on goofballs.

Seems good enough to get us both off the hook.

Being stopped in a car by traffic police is as far as I?m aware not the kind of stop and search, which the Police or we are talking about.





Think about it 10-16 year old killers with knives don?t drive cars.




It looks more and more like stop and search on young kids is not and has not been happening.




Yet another misleading load of tosh!



Maybe 10year old undercover police are searching these kids whilst they are doing sport and their clothes are in the changing room?





The stabbings have been going on since around 1989 and it?s been getting worst.



Maybe the Gov and police view is

----------------------------------------------------

Best not upset anyone by stopping then in public and searching him or her, far better to just let it fizzle out.


Maybe they?ll all kill each other and then there?ll be no more.


Who cares anyhow it?s not as if these kids are going to add anything to society.

-----------------------------------------------------

Stabbings and shootings have been happening for a lot longer than 'since around 1989', though around the late 80s and early 90s there were - as I recall - quite a few shootings that took places at pubs in the area (especially Forest Hill/Sydenham).


With information, there appears to be a Before Internet and an After Internet: if it happened B.I., you may not find information online, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

thebeard - any chance you can get your Return key under control?


Then maybe you can point to a part of the world where stop and search works - becaus it didn't in Northern Ireland and it didn't in this country when it was used previously and to teh best of my knowledge it doesn't work across the US


So.. why so keen?

matthew123 Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Reg Smeeton Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> Really? Is that really a reflection? Well I felt

> obliged to double check this and lo and behold

> this thread has achieved it's viewing figures over

> 5 days whilst the other 3 threads you mention have

> each taken over 830 days. Big difference.


Not really. I really doubt that many people are digging those threads out to have a good old reminisce. It would just follow the usual asymptote as you'd expect.


http://www.iaacblog.com/renugupta/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/800px-long_tail_svg.png

SeanMacGabhann Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> thebeard - any chance you can get your Return key

> under control?

>

> Then maybe you can point to a part of the world

> where stop and search works - becaus it didn't in

> Northern Ireland and it didn't in this country

> when it was used previously and to teh best of my

> knowledge it doesn't work across the US

>

> So.. why so keen?




I don?t see any other way to stop the young kids from carrying knives.


There are bigger issues, which are outside of the remit of the Police.


This is a police function something within their powers.


But.

It would appear the regular police are far more concerned with not upsetting people than they are about whether kids are carrying knives or worst.


If properly managed I?m sure it would go some way to reducing the number of knifes kids are carrying and lead to fewer deaths.



I guess the trade off is it could alienate the kids even further form society but it would appear they are so dysfunctional and live in a sub culture that they couldn?t get further away from regular society.

So the impact might benefit and be one of reintegration via training those who are caught carrying knives.


We?ll never know if we don?t know who?s carrying and we?ll never know unless they are caught in possession.


After unlike Northern Ireland and the US we are talking about kids not organised adult criminals here.

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Latest Discussions

    • The is very low water pressure in the middle of Friern Road this morning.
    • I think mostly those are related to the same "issues". In my experience, it's difficult using the pin when reporting problems, especially if you're on a mobile... There's two obvious leaks in that stretch and has been for sometime one of them apparently being sewer flooding 😱  
    • BBC Homepage Skip to content Accessibility Help EFor you Notifications More menu Search BBC                     BBC News Menu   UK England N. Ireland Scotland Alba Wales Cymru Isle of Man Guernsey Jersey Local News Vets under corporate pressure to increase revenue, BBC told   Image source,Getty Images ByRichard Bilton, BBC Panorama and Ben Milne, BBC News Published 2 hours ago Vets have told BBC Panorama they feel under increasing pressure to make money for the big companies that employ them - and worry about the costly financial impact on pet owners. Prices charged by UK vets rose by 63% between 2016 and 2023, external, and the government's competition regulator has questioned whether the pet-care market - as it stands - is giving customers value for money. One anonymous vet, who works for the UK's largest vet care provider, IVC Evidensia, said that the company has introduced a new monitoring system that could encourage vets to offer pet owners costly tests and treatment options. A spokesperson for IVC told Panorama: "The group's vets and vet nurses never prioritise revenue or transaction value over and above the welfare of the animal in their care." More than half of all UK households are thought to own a pet, external. Over the past few months, hundreds of pet owners have contacted BBC Your Voice with concerns about vet bills. One person said they had paid £5,600 for 18 hours of vet-care for their pet: "I would have paid anything to save him but felt afterwards we had been taken advantage of." Another described how their dog had undergone numerous blood tests and scans: "At the end of the treatment we were none the wiser about her illness and we were presented with a bill of £13,000."   Image caption, UK pet owners spent £6.3bn on vet and other pet-care services in 2024, according to the CMA Mounting concerns over whether pet owners are receiving a fair deal prompted a formal investigation by government watchdog, the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA). In a provisional report, external at the end of last year, it identified several issues: Whether vet companies are being transparent about the ownership of individual practices and whether pet owners have enough information about pricing The concentration of vet practices and clinics in the hands of six companies - these now control 60% of the UK's pet-care market Whether this concentration has led to less market competition and allowed some vet care companies to make excess profits 'Hitting targets' A vet, who leads one of IVC's surgeries (and who does not want to be identified because they fear they could lose their job), has shared a new internal document with Panorama. The document uses a colour code to compare the company's UK-wide tests and treatment options and states that it is intended to help staff improve clinical care. It lists key performance indicators in categories that include average sales per patient, X-rays, ultrasound and lab tests. The vet is worried about the new policy: "We will have meetings every month, where one of the area teams will ask you how many blood tests, X-rays and ultrasounds you're doing." If a category is marked in green on the chart, the clinic would be judged to be among the company's top 25% of achievers in the UK. A red mark, on the other hand, would mean the clinic was in the bottom 25%. If this happens, the vet says, it might be asked to come up with a plan of action. The vet says this would create pressure to "upsell" services. Panorama: Why are vet bills so high? Are people being priced out of pet ownership by soaring bills? Watch on BBC iPlayer now or BBC One at 20:00 on Monday 12 January (22:40 in Northern Ireland) Watch on iPlayer For instance, the vet says, under the new model, IVC would prefer any animal with suspected osteoarthritis to potentially be X-rayed. With sedation, that could add £700 to a bill. While X-rays are sometimes necessary, the vet says, the signs of osteoarthritis - the thickening of joints, for instance - could be obvious to an experienced vet, who might prefer to prescribe a less expensive anti-inflammatory treatment. "Vets shouldn't have pressure to do an X-ray because it would play into whether they are getting green on the care framework for their clinic." IVC has told Panorama it is extremely proud of the work its clinical teams do and the data it collects is to "identify and close gaps in care for our patients". It says its vets have "clinical independence", and that prioritising revenue over care would be against the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons' (RCVS) code and IVC policy. Vets say they are under pressure to bring in more money per pet   Published 15 April 2025 Vets should be made to publish prices, watchdog says   Published 15 October 2025 The vet says a drive to increase revenue is undermining his profession. Panorama spoke to more than 30 vets in total who are currently working, or have worked, for some of the large veterinary groups. One recalls being told that not enough blood tests were being taken: "We were pushed to do more. I hated opening emails." Another says that when their small practice was sold to a large company, "it was crazy... It was all about hitting targets". Not all the big companies set targets or monitor staff in this way. The high cost of treatment UK pet owners spent £6.3bn on vet and other pet-care services in 2024 - equal to just over £365 per pet-owning household, according to the CMA. However, most pet owners in the UK do not have insurance, and bills can leave less-well-off families feeling helpless when treatment is needed. Many vets used not to display prices and pet owners often had no clear idea of what treatment would cost, but in the past two years that has improved, according to the CMA. Rob Jones has told Panorama that when his family dog, Betty, fell ill during the autumn of 2024 they took her to an emergency treatment centre, Vets Now, and she underwent an operation that cost almost £5,000. Twelve days later, Betty was still unwell, and Rob says he was advised that she could have a serious infection. He was told a diagnosis - and another operation - would cost between £5,000-£8,000.   Image caption, Betty's owners were told an operation on her would cost £12,000 However, on the morning of the operation, Rob was told this price had risen to £12,000. When he complained, he was quoted a new figure - £10,000. "That was the absolute point where I lost faith in them," he says. "It was like, I don't believe that you've got our interests or Betty's interests at heart." The family decided to put Betty to sleep. Rob did not know at the time that both his local vet, and the emergency centre, branded Vets Now, where Betty was treated, were both owned by the same company - IVC. He was happy with the treatment but complained about the sudden price increase and later received an apology from Vets Now. It offered him £3,755.59 as a "goodwill gesture".   Image caption, Rob Jones says he lost faith in the vets treating his pet dog Betty Vets Now told us its staff care passionately for the animals they treat: "In complex cases, prices can vary depending on what the vet discovers during a consultation, during the treatment, and depending on how the patient responds. "We have reviewed our processes and implemented a number of changes to ensure that conversations about pricing are as clear as possible." Value for money? Independent vet practices have been a popular acquisition for corporate investors in recent years, according to Dr David Reader from the University of Glasgow. He has made a detailed study of the industry. Pet care has been seen as attractive, he says, because of the opportunities "to find efficiencies, to consolidate, set up regional hubs, but also to maximise profits". Six large veterinary groups (sometimes referred to as LVGs) now control 60% of the UK pet care market - up from 10% a decade ago, according to the CMA, external. They are: Linnaeus, which owns 180 practices Medivet, which has 363 Vet Partners with 375 practices CVS Group, which has 387 practices Pets at Home, which has 445 practices under the name Vets for Pets IVC Evidensia, which has 900 practices When the CMA announced its provisional findings last autumn, it said there was not enough competition or informed choice in the market. It estimated the combined cost of this to UK pet owners amounted to £900m between 2020-2024. Corporate vets dispute the £900m figure. They say their prices are competitive and made freely available, and reflect their huge investment in the industry, not to mention rising costs, particularly of drugs. The corporate vets also say customers value their services highly and that they comply with the RCVS guidelines.   Image caption, A CMA survey suggests pet owners are happy with the service they receive from vets A CMA survey suggests pet owners are happy with their vets - both corporate and independent - when it comes to quality of service. But, with the exception of Pets at Home, customer satisfaction on cost is much lower for the big companies. "I think that large veterinary corporations, particularly where they're owned by private equity companies, are more concerned about profits than professionals who own veterinary businesses," says Suzy Hudson-Cooke from the British Veterinary Union, which is part of Unite. Proposals for change The CMA's final report on the vet industry is expected by the spring but no date has been set for publication. In its provisional report, it proposed improved transparency on pricing and vet ownership. Companies would have to reveal if vet practices were part of a chain, and whether they had business connections with hospitals, out-of-hours surgeries, online pharmacies and even crematoria. IVC, CVS and Vet Partners all have connected businesses and would have to be more transparent about their services in the future. Pets at Home does not buy practices - it works in partnership with individual vets, as does Medivet. These companies have consistently made clear in their branding who owns their practices. The big companies say they support moves to make the industry more transparent so long as they don't put too high a burden on vets. David Reader says the CMA proposals could have gone further. "There's good reason to think that once this investigation is concluded, some of the larger veterinary groups will continue with their acquisition strategies." The CMA says its proposals would "improve competition by helping pet owners choose the right vet, the right treatment, and the right way to buy medicine - without confusion or unnecessary cost". For Rob Jones, however, it is probably too late. "I honestly wouldn't get another pet," he says. "I think it's so expensive now and the risk financially is so great.             Food Terms of Use About the BBC Privacy Policy Cookies Accessibility Help Parental Guidance Contact the BBC Make an editorial complaint BBC emails for you Copyright © 2026 BBC. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Read about our approach to external linking.
    • What does the area with the blue dotted lines and the crossed out water drop mean? No water in this area? So many leaks in the area.
Home
Events
Sign In

Sign In



Or sign in with one of these services

Search
×
    Search In
×
×
  • Create New...