Lordship Lane incident

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

Clannad is a masterstroke. Droves will commit suicide thus rendering hanging obsolete.

[HonaloochieB]

*Bob* Wrote:

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> Well, Lenk.. according to which camp you're in:

>

> a) civilization as we know it in Britain has

> ceased to exist and the only workable remedy is to

> bring back hanging.

>

> b) group hugs and Clannad piped from loudspeakers

> on street corners could provide the answer.

>

>

> Reality and truth, as ever, will be somewhere in

> the middle. But don't expect to find that on here.

Never mind Clannad *Bob*, I'd flog that off to Morrisey as a song title for his next LP.

Though he might alter it to 'Reality and truth someshere in the middle will be'.

Morrisey, there was someone who understood and embraced the street thug. at least the ethos. At lest of some of the white ones.

[Dulwich_ Park_ Fairy]

Droves will commit suicide thus rendering hanging obsolete.

Quite, they'll be falling on their own knives.

[thebeard]

Peckhamgatecrasher Wrote:

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> g. never

g. Wasn?t an option but .......... hey ho

Probably the one I should have added.

Use of stop and search maybe an urban myth?

Invented to make liberals revolt about something that hardly ever happens.

So Peckhamgatecrasher

How about your daughter any info on the reasons for the stabbings or is she keeping mum mum?

[thebeard]

Just to refresh you all especially those who are so anti SnS?s

How many stop and searches have you seen in the last 12 months.

A. On Lordship during the day?

B. Anywhere else in East Dulwich during the day?

C. Anywhere else London during the day?

D. Anywhere else in the UK during the day?

E. On a council estate during a Police raid?

F. Following an incident outside Night Club or similar at night.

OR go with Peckhamgatecrasher

g. never ever seen a stop and search.

[Reg Smeeton]

Blimey people, over 18,000 views of this thread. Is this a record for the EDF? Actually a quick check says there are some old time threads in the Lounge still ahead of it:

19,700 "A joke"

19,900 "Quiet room"

But still way out there in front...

29,000 "Seen anyone famous in East Dulwich?"

An interesting reflection of local priorities.

[david_carnell]

The Beard - On an entirely anecdotal basis (i.e. a worthless one):

B, C, D and F

Now what....?

[thebeard]

Now we know you've see 4 stop and searches.

As they say in China.

You rucky rucky man.

[rememberwhen]

Re Stop and search.

My son (23 white) has been stopped and the car searched some 8 times in the last 3 months. Each time has been between East Dulwich and Tulse Hill timing varying between 3pm and 2am. He has no convictions and a full clean license. Is it possible that he fits the profile to balance the figures for stop and search?

[????]

sad to admit it but I had long hair and often wore it in a pony tail in the early 90s...i was quite often stopped including in my car and haven't been stopped since the day i had my hair cut off but to prove it wasn't just the police who have prejudices, i was almost constantly asked if i'd got any pills to sell in clubs and bars

[matthew123]

Reg Smeeton Wrote:

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> Blimey people, over 18,000 views of this thread.

> Is this a record for the EDF? Actually a quick

> check says there are some old time threads in the

> Lounge still ahead of it:

>

> 19,700 "A joke"

> 19,900 "Quiet room"

>

> But still way out there in front...

>

> 29,000 "Seen anyone famous in East Dulwich?"

>

> An interesting reflection of local priorities.

Really? Is that really a reflection? Well I felt obliged to double check this and lo and behold this thread has achieved it's viewing figures over 5 days whilst the other 3 threads you mention have each taken over 830 days. Big difference.

[sophiesofa]

my mate was car stop searched on the old kent road and was told it was because she was white and they needed to even up the numbers so they didn't seem prejudice. I honestly don't know if they're a good idea or not but i spose if you think of it along the lines of say a million stop searches save just one life then they must be worth it.

8 times in 3 months would peeve you right off though!

[matthew123]

I was once stopped 3 times in 45 minutes - and they checked in my boot to see if I had a bomb whilst waving a machine gun at me to stop the car!

[AllforNun]

.....oh thank god, even the air taste's different over here .....!

AFN

Free at last !

[HonaloochieB]

???? Wrote:

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> sad to admit it but I had long hair and often wore

> it in a pony tail in the early 90s...i was quite

> often stopped including in my car and haven't been

> stopped since the day i had my hair cut off but to

> prove it wasn't just the police who have

> prejudices, i was almost constantly asked if i'd

> got any pills to sell in clubs and bars

Quids, 20 to 23 years ago I might have made a bit of a faux-chummy kind of request for a price list or somesuch.

Now I don't go in for anything other than what's prescribed by my GP through pharma and what I self medicate via the drinks industry.

The fact that I find the most disturbing aspect of your post is the phrase 'almost constantly' says more about me than I could ever say about myself, personally.

You're OK Quids, there may be grammarians who will say that your choice of words was incorrect or that I was incorrect in my challenge.

My defence will be that I was lagged to the gills on Peroni, may I respectfully suggest that you imply you were hopped-up on goofballs.

Seems good enough to get us both off the hook.

[????]

Stella and Night Nurse does the trick Honny

[louisiana]

I was stopped three times during the same car trip (when I had a car). The boot was searched twice, and I was asked whether what was in the boot (clothes and shoes) belonged to me. I was a white 35-year-old woman at the time, driving a Citroen BX, daytime.

[thebeard]

Being stopped in a car by traffic police is as far as I?m aware not the kind of stop and search, which the Police or we are talking about.

Think about it 10-16 year old killers with knives don?t drive cars.

It looks more and more like stop and search on young kids is not and has not been happening.

Yet another misleading load of tosh!

Maybe 10year old undercover police are searching these kids whilst they are doing sport and their clothes are in the changing room?

The stabbings have been going on since around 1989 and it?s been getting worst.

Maybe the Gov and police view is

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Best not upset anyone by stopping then in public and searching him or her, far better to just let it fizzle out.

Maybe they?ll all kill each other and then there?ll be no more.

Who cares anyhow it?s not as if these kids are going to add anything to society.

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[louisiana]

Stabbings and shootings have been happening for a lot longer than 'since around 1989', though around the late 80s and early 90s there were - as I recall - quite a few shootings that took places at pubs in the area (especially Forest Hill/Sydenham).

With information, there appears to be a Before Internet and an After Internet: if it happened B.I., you may not find information online, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[SeanMacGabhann]

thebeard - any chance you can get your Return key under control?

Then maybe you can point to a part of the world where stop and search works - becaus it didn't in Northern Ireland and it didn't in this country when it was used previously and to teh best of my knowledge it doesn't work across the US

So.. why so keen?

[lenk]

matthew123 Wrote:

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> Reg Smeeton Wrote:

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> Really? Is that really a reflection? Well I felt

> obliged to double check this and lo and behold

> this thread has achieved it's viewing figures over

> 5 days whilst the other 3 threads you mention have

> each taken over 830 days. Big difference.

Not really. I really doubt that many people are digging those threads out to have a good old reminisce. It would just follow the usual asymptote as you'd expect.

http://www.iaacblog.com/renugupta/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/800px-long_tail_svg.png

[thebeard]

SeanMacGabhann Wrote:

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> thebeard - any chance you can get your Return key

> under control?

>

> Then maybe you can point to a part of the world

> where stop and search works - becaus it didn't in

> Northern Ireland and it didn't in this country

> when it was used previously and to teh best of my

> knowledge it doesn't work across the US

>

> So.. why so keen?

I don?t see any other way to stop the young kids from carrying knives.

There are bigger issues, which are outside of the remit of the Police.

This is a police function something within their powers.

But.

It would appear the regular police are far more concerned with not upsetting people than they are about whether kids are carrying knives or worst.

If properly managed I?m sure it would go some way to reducing the number of knifes kids are carrying and lead to fewer deaths.

I guess the trade off is it could alienate the kids even further form society but it would appear they are so dysfunctional and live in a sub culture that they couldn?t get further away from regular society.

So the impact might benefit and be one of reintegration via training those who are caught carrying knives.

We?ll never know if we don?t know who?s carrying and we?ll never know unless they are caught in possession.

After unlike Northern Ireland and the US we are talking about kids not organised adult criminals here.

[lenk]

I usually have a knife on me - a penknife.

I also carry a set of screwdrivers nearly everywhere I go - how would I be affected under stop and search?

completely unworkable.

[david_carnell]

sad to admit it but I had long hair and often wore it in a pony tail in the early 90s...

I would have arrested you as well! A pony tail? Dear oh dear.

[Ted Max]

Long hair, pony tail, mid-90s?

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