Give + Take

[Beej]

I remember taking this picture outside the shop one day, always made me giggle... Only in East Dulwich would a 'charity shop' be terribly sorry to only be able to accept designer labels.

[Jeremy]

LondonMix Wrote:

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> Yeah, Jeremy heard that too. I hope its true as I

> like a few of the brands Question Air carries.

The sign's in the window, so it seems like a done deal.

Looking at their prices though I can't imagine I (or Blah Blah) will be customers.

[LondonMix]

Okay-- yeah, much of it is very expensive

[Otta]

Blah Blah Wrote:

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> There is no comparison between something used by four

> people every day and an item used by one person

> for one day only. People need somewhere to live,

> whether they own or rent. That is a necessity.

>

You are of course correct. There is absolutely no comparrison between a ?5k garmenbt and a several hundred k property. But the point is, that garment was given away to raise some money for charity. What is stopping you from selling up now a profit has been made on your house, moving to Sidcup, and donating the difference to charity?

> Most people don't need a 5k dress to have a great wedding and I question the

> values of someone who does.

I used to play guitar (quite an expensive guitar actually - probably should trade it in for a ?150 thing) in a wedding band, and have been to all sorts of weddings both grand and not so much. Some people spend a fortune on the setting, some people spend a fortune on the food, some people spend a fortune on the clothes. The point is, that it's THEIR day and it's their choice. It's (hopefully, and definitely in their minds when they're organising it) a once in a lifetime thing.

Every one of us (including you) spends some money on something we don't need to. Money whech could be put to better use. But what sort of miserable existence would it be without some treats?

The point is, who the hell are you to question anyone's values for the choices they make for their wedding day FFS? Especially when that person has said they're on a pretty low wage. It's just a holier than thou nonsence.

[Azira]

The fact you don't see the point as "constructive" is illuminating, Blah Blah.

[Alec John Moore]

It nevers helps reasoned debate when you appear to come across as moralising in a discussion. People tend to get defensive. But, this thread has raised lots of really important questions for me. Subjective, I know but then it is my moral compass that occupies my thoughts more. In this country most people are relatively well off and have some disposable income to allow them to have some choice about how "extravagant" they are in their retail therapy. This thread has reminded me of something I learned recently about the fashion business in a seminar on global supply chains and which I do find ethically challenging. In some of the garment factories in Bangladesh the woman who is sewing the clothes we might buy for not very much of our disposable income in Primark is sitting across from someone who is sewing a high end designer dress. The same workers in the same factory working under the same conditions getting the same pay producing garments with widely different price tags when they are sold in UK stores. Well, the designer adds value because of their skill and experience I suppose and there's a lot of cachet attached to the designer's name and if we can afford it then, why not?

[LondonMix]

Personally I do think it matters who makes your clothes. Not all brands (high or low) engage in poor labor practices.

[numbers]

Sorry for going off-topic but what's your views on, hmmm lets say, gambling/poker blah blah? How does that sit with your oh so virtuous you think you can pass comment on other people's spending choices in that holier-than-thou self-righteous condescending manner.

[Laddy Muck]

numbers Wrote:

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...hmmm lets say, gambling/poker...

lol

[Alec John Moore]

I'd be interested to know the extent to which the contributors, and the readers, to this forum think about the consequences of their spending decisions on a day to day basis. It's not just the big ticket items, that may or may not be seen as extravagant, that are worthy of consideration.

[Otta]

I feed my drinking habit with generic lager rather than this expensive craft nonsense. I do it for the needy.

> numbers Wrote:

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> ...hmmm lets say, gambling/poker...

DJ equipment doesn't come cheap either.

[LondonMix]

ALEC-- I?m not perfect at all but I do try to purchase the majority of my clothes from a few NY and LA based contemporary brands that make a specific point about doing most if not all of their manufacturing in the US (not all of course). I don?t buy a lot of clothes so when I do buy, I don?t mind paying the premium these brands cost and I can afford to. Amongst the high street retailers I only shop at Zara as the majority of their manufacturing is in Spain and Portugal, but I haven?t bought anything from them in years. I generally look to buy stuff made in Britain, Europe and the US, including stuff for my home. I know it?s a privilege to be able to afford to do so, so I don?t expect that?s the right approach for everyone but it works for me. My stuff lasts forever (I keep clothes for years and years) and I know that most of it has been made with labor laws and working conditions I can feel comfortable with.

[LondonMix]

Way off topic-- does anyone know what's happening to Pretty's grocery shop and the old Pet Shop on North Cross Road? Also, any news on the old Irish shop? I might have missed threads discussing this so if anyone can point me in the right direction, I'd be curious to know what's happening with them.

TA

[dds29]

Give & Take closed (see original post) because their rent tripled. They'd been there 5 years.

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dds29 Wrote:

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> Give & Take closed (see original post) because

> their rent tripled. They'd been there 5 years.

Not according to the estate agent details from when Ralon closed and the current sale particulars.

[Alec John Moore]

Speaking of unwanted clothing, I spotted this thread in the What's On section:

http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?6,1598932

Wrap Up London will run their campaign to provide unwanted winter coats to vulnerable people in the capital for the 5th time this year. Follow the link below for detailed information. There are various ways of contributing to the scheme including, but not limited to, donating your garment at one of the following stations this Wednesday, Thursday or Friday. Collections will take place 7am-11am on each of these days, so this part is clearly aimed at the commuters amongst us.

The participating stations for Wrap up London 2015 are:

Kings Cross

Victoria

Waterloo

Canary Wharf

Charing Cross

London Bridge

Highbury & Islington

Euston

For full information go to:

http://handsonlondon.org.uk/wrap-london-2015-our-5th-anniversary

[NewWave]

Wrap-up London is a superb campaign.

Its true that a warm coat can save a life.

I'm wholeheartedly behind it.

I donated last year and I'll look through my cupboards this year.

[rubyroo]

Delighted to see the back of it. They were snooty. I took a designer bag in there and was told by some 21 year old 'fashion expert' that it looked brassy. It looked anything but - it was Chlo?.

[Otta]

NewWave Wrote:

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> Wrap-up London is a superb campaign.

> Its true that a warm coat can save a life.

> I'm wholeheartedly behind it.

> I donated last year and I'll look through my

> cupboards this year.

I hope you spent no more than a tenner on your coat, or your values will be called in to question.

[Blah Blah]

I'm suprised at you Otta. You don't usually lower yourself to those kinds of sneers.

Since when does a view on spending 5k on one item of clothing translate to spending more than a tenner? That's the kind of bs that drives people from engaging in debate on forums.

[Otta]

It was an obvious exaggeration and joke. Not a sneer.

But I think when someone said "It nevers helps reasoned debate when you appear to come across as moralising in a discussion" they were spot on, and that it's you that put people off of contributing to this thread for fear of having their values questioned by you.

I won't lie, that comment about questioning NewWave's values really annoyed me. I don't know NewWave from Adam, but for me you have been bang out of order here.

[Angelina]

Thank you Alec for reposting the Wrap Up London link.

It's a brilliant idea and I think that helping vulnerable Londoners directly is really special.

I also like the fact that it's easy to drop them off on the way into work at key tube stations. There is a drop off point in North Clapham too....

[handsonlondon.org.uk]

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Otta Wrote:

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> It was an obvious exaggeration and joke. Not a

> sneer.

>

> But I think when someone said "It nevers helps

> reasoned debate when you appear to come across as

> moralising in a discussion" they were spot on, and

> that it's you that put people off of contributing

> to this thread for fear of having their values

> questioned by you.

>

> I won't lie, that comment about questioning

> NewWave's values really annoyed me. I don't know

> NewWave from Adam, but for me you have been bang

> out of order here.

Couldn't agree more.

[Blah Blah]

We'll have to agree to disagree. It's a forum. People have different views. I don't see anything wrong with moralising about 5k blown on a wedding dress.

[Angelina]

Clearly. But you've made your point and it's time to move on.