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Mark Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I like option 5) but I also think that the > temporary solution 3) is quite good so that after > 6 months if/when people complain about the dog > pooh everywhere the dog owners have no-one to > blame except themselves (and their dogs) if a > fenced off area is created. I take it you mean the irresponsible ones?

Scruffy Mummy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think what will happen > is that no one will enjoy the Green except dog > users. Who is going to want to sit on the grass > with young children/toddlers with the worry that > they will toddle off into the path of a bounding > dog?? And the point is - even if someone scoops > poop, the residue can linger on! So basically, I > think it'll be an end to parents sitting on the > green, under the trees in sunny days with the > toddlers safety toddling about the trees. Shame > but I guess the people are happier that the ugly > fence will be gone than people enjoying the green Think about it really! Goose Green was used plenty before the fence, the same as every other green space open to the public across the country. It won't be an end to parents using the green and it won't be an end to people enjoying it! People enjoyed open spaces just as much as before scooping became a trend, then legal requirement (a positive one IMO). Is this dog owner bashing ever going to stop? In Peckham Rye park, there's a fenced and gated dog free picnic area, but it seems to be just too much hassle for some people to close the gates behind them, probably the very same people that moan when a dog goes in through the gate they'd left open. As for the GG fence, whilst ugly it did have it's advantages. Perhaps yet more money could be spent by Southwark Council replacing it with another one :-S

Isn't it Scottish for Chavs?

I chased a couple of kids (12-14 yr olds) off of the roof of the cafe this evening, they were throwing stuff (too dark to see what, but will check tomorrow)down into the builders area at the back. They ran off towards Friern Rd. So if at about 6.45pm your little future doctor, lawyer, teacher etc etc and current little yob and vandal arrived home out of breath, that's where they were.

I love having aircon at work, but then again I can control its setting. I can open the windows, but who wants tunnel dust up their nostrils. oh the joys of a tube driver

ChavWivaLawDegree Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Body to science, burn the rest and plant a tree in > the on top of the ashes. The rest of what? lol

Domitianus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I agree with the warning about dogs being stolen. > Only a few weeks ago someone tried to steal my two > rottweilers. We know this to be the case because > we returned to where they had been tethered to > find them chewing happily on a severed arm. The > police were called and, when they fingerprinted > the remains, they told us it belonged to a > well-known local dog-napper! I think it might be > wise for people to give careful consideration to > exactly which dogs they attempt to pinch. How awful for you Dom. Your dogs are subject to an attempted theft and then obviously because of their actions were then euthanised because of your breach of the Dangerous Dogs Act :( Shocking :)-D

Headbutting Police Dogs ? A ?PC? Step Too Far You really couldn't make it up... a Welsh police force is training its dogs to headbutt criminals rather than bite them, because politically correct - 'PC' - bosses are afraid that allowing the dogs to bite criminals will infringe their human rights! The policy, devised by North Wales Police, comes as a result of increased compensation claims from members of the public who have been bitten by police dogs. Officers say the toothless tactic provides a safer way to tackle uncooperative offenders, and dog squads may soon adopt it across the country. But critics say it is another example of political correctness gone mad - putting the rights and safety of criminals before cutting crime and protecting the public. Rather than biting suspects, the dogs have instead been trained to disable their targets by leaping at them and delivering a flying 'head-butt'. The scheme is being pioneered by North Wales police, which is headed by controversial chief Richard Brunstrom, using the Belgian Shepherd Malinois, which are fast becoming the police dogs of choice in the UK, as they are smaller, more agile and stronger than the traditional German Shepherd. Under the scheme, the dogs would be muzzled to prevent them from biting. To protect the animals, a metal rod across the front of the muzzle helps absorb the impact of the strike. 'Instead of biting, the dog is muzzled and launches itself like a missile at the midriff of the target,' said Deputy Chief Constable of North Wales, Clive Wolfendale. 'It is one of the additional options open to us to muzzle our dogs and get them to use a head butt,' added Sgt Ian Massie. 'We believe it is a safer option for an offender to be head-butted.' The scheme was launched after the Association of Chief Police Officers published a paper for dog handlers on human rights. In it, police dog handlers in a position where they are considering setting their dog after a suspect should ask are told to ask themselves: ?Are there human rights issues involved in what I am about to do?? But retired dog handler John Barrett, who served for 18 years with the Metropolitan Police, is critical of the new tactic and said: 'This sounds like political correctness. It is very strange - I think the public would laugh at you with a muzzled dog, and it could be counterproductive if people think the dog has to be muzzled because it is dangerous.' The move comes after a surge in compensation claims from bite victims - including officers. One of the UK's biggest police forces, Greater Manchester paid out ?59,000 in compensation in five years. But alleged wrongdoers are warned - the dogs have a powerful butt, especially after a long run-up. The force's Dog Section Manager Sergeant Gareth Crow, who pioneered the technique, says the flying Malinois head-charge is the equivalent of a baton blow if the dog has a full run-up. Apparently, the technique has been deemed so successful that muzzled dogs are also being used for crowd control at football games. Sgt Crowe said: "People may think a muzzled dog can't do anything but they are caught out by the power and speed of the tactic. 'For me, it is a high-level use of force to physically bite a person. We've now got a continuum of force that gives us another tactical option to deploy the dog. 'The 'conflict management model' of policing says that any force must be reasonable under the circumstances. It is clearly to gain control, prevent injury to the officer or others, and prevent damage to property.' Sgt Crow did not say, however, how the dogs would manage to headbutt a suspect in the stomach when they were running away from them and would thus have their backs to the dogs. A headbutt into the suspects? lumbar region would surely cause greater injury and lead to further compensation claims.

Brendan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Overly excitable things that like playing in mud > and are best kept on a lead. Rugby Players?

TillieTrotter Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > How terribly English is this thread. Bloody kids > ruining my peaceful pint, bloody kids and mums > taking up all the room in all the eateries....blah > blah. But jump up and down when a DOG gets left > outside a cafe for half an hour. Priceless! LOL How ironic that when in threads regarding children, dogs are mentioned. There seems to be a general concensus on here that the person comparing the two is being ridiculous. Perhaps comparing the two is terribly English LOL :)

AllforNun Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Mmmm All go back inside for coffee now ! > > There are Environmental health laws regarding dogs > in places where food is served and prepared, only > guide dogs are exempt. Are there? Can you quote them? Dogs are not allowed where food is prepared but are allowed where it's served, ie cafes, pubs, restaurants etc. Guide Dogs are not exempt. Allowing guide dogs onto premises and barring other dogs is discretionary (although may have some form of inclusion in the Disabilities Act?)

Emily Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hilarious that people think the answer to the dog > being outside is that the owner also stays > outside...which would make the dog drier and > warmer in what way, exactly? Dogs aren't people. > They jump into freezing lakes in January. They > roll in shit. It's NORMAL for them to be outside. > For heaven's sake, next people will be saying they > shouldn't be taken for walks in winter. I think the only person saying the owners should stay outside with thier dogs was me and that was a security issue, nothing to do with keeping a dog warm. As for dogs jumping into freezing lakes, not all dogs do and then probably wouldn't then just sit still, but would run a lot of the excess water in the coat off. They roll in shit - Yes, but what's the relevance? As for NORMAL, with the type of breeding that has taken place a lot of breeds would not, due to thier coats be able to tolerate being left outside. And your last point, some people wouldn't take thier dogs out in winter without additional protection against the cold and rain, such as dog coats.:))

trinity Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Its not a theory - its my opinion. If dogs can be > controlled all the time then there is no problem. > Guide dogs I don't have a problem with - they are > well trained and controlled and are with their > owners inside for a purpose. Perhaps your dog is > fine but perhaps the next dog is smelly. Perhaps > the next is wet and decides to have a good shake > inside. Perhaps the next decides it likes the look > of my childs meal. Perhaps it would be best to > leave dogs outside for short time while the humans > have a cuppa. Thanks for clearing that up Trinity. It's not a hygiene issue, but perhaps a personal comfort one then and you are fully entitled to have and voice that opinion. Perhaps it was your previous posting tarring all dogs with the same brush that got my goat. :)) However, with the dog theft issue perhaps leaving the dogs outside is not best.

trinity Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I don't like dogs in restaurants - I don't think > its the right place for them as it is unhygenic. How is a dog lying under the table unhygenic? It's not on the table! If it was unhygenic, there'd be an hygiene regulation which there isn't. Exactly what do you base your theory on?

trinity Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > but surely you don't expect dogs > to be allowed in a cafe. > Why not? As has been said The Rye allows dogs in as does The Clockhouse. There is no health & safety legislation to support barring dogs from eateries either, only from kitchens. When I take my dogs into restaurants/pubs, they lie down under the table quite happily and more often than not others aren't even aware that they are there. The only issue I'd have taking my dogs into any place would be the interference of other patrons wanting to pet them whilst I'm eating.

ChavWivaLawDegree Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I worry about this a bit, > > It is a pretty upsetting > thing having your pet stolen especially if they > are staff type dogs because they often take them > to use in dog fights or for breeding farms. You're right to worry, but so are all the non staffie type dog owners. In training dogs for fighting, the scum that do it will use any type of dog for training purposes, ie bait, so as to lessen the risk of injury to thier dogs in the earlier stages of training. Neutering your dog eliminates the breeding issue! Make sure your dog is Microchipped too. (Won't stop the theft, but may help get the dog back if found elsewhere).

Word of warning for those leaving dogs teathered outside anywhere in public! Check out Doglost. It takes seconds for a dog to be stolen, even when it's apparently in view. The cafe has an external serving hatch, so you really don't need to go inside and as the cafe has eaves, you too can sit under them to shelter from inclement weather. If in future you do see a dog in distress, please don't just walk past. Say something, even if it's just to complain to the cafe owner! The cafe does sell dog treats, rodeo's 50p each :) lol. beaten to it with Doglost lol

I went and enjoyed it, had a lovely bacon roll and wandered through the main tent. For a first attempt I thought it was well done. Monica if you get the opportunity to arrange more, take it. I've been one of the main planners for the Friends of Peckham Rye Summer Fete for the last four years and we learn something new each time, hopefully enabling us to make it better the next time. We took our dogs with us today and were very pleased that the anti-dog police hadn't hijacked the event. My only criticism (and it's more about me being 6' than the event) was that the interior stalls canopies, which were unnecessary as they were inside, were so low that I had to walk through tilting my head to avoid them. But all in all Well Done!

Spooks is amazing! In last weeks episode, they took off in one type of plane heading for Iran, only to arrive in a different plane in Turkey. Mid-air transfer perhaps?

ChavWivaLawDegree Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ?? It's in the OP "and my girlfriend's called the police" >:D<

I heard a child had some sort of explosive device (poss firework) in his pocket which ignited and caused serious burns.

UB40 1988 Cincinatti Riverbend - Red, Red Wi-i-i-ine goes to my he-eh-eh-ed >:D

Do you mean the temporary changing rooms? If so, I'm sure no-one is to be imprisoned in them.

This may help http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,26226,page=1

pavilioncafe Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ok to update you all on Peckham Rye - they had > problems with the electricity and hence were > unable to open. It should be open now. It has > been taken over by a local lady who was in the > hotel industry. Hope that helps and good luck to > her. You lot are tough. LOL Have you read this thread? They've been open since monday and the general EDF concencus of those that have visited is positive. (Perhaps when you say 'tough' it's experience speaking) Edited to add; I like the Pavillion too ;-)