Keef

Never liked Johnny Vegas, then he did , and will forever be Moz! Class >:D

F*ck me, you're both doing my head in. shut it you pair of sl@gs!

Hmmm, and how do you feel being taken over by banks a the moment? Think I'd be nervous! Then again, it may end up being the best thing that's ever happened to the cu...

Well that's my initial question answered. Sorted! Whether or not that would truly satisfy anyone... well maybe one day we'll know.

What Moos said! (both parts) I thouht he was brilliant, and got one up on the unbelievably annoying Paul Merton all the time, which makes him allright in my book!

When admin "Lounges" a thread, and it buggers up all the counts of the other threads in the Lounge. Not eactly the end of the world, but grrrr!

Just a one off I'm afraid (although that might not be a bad thing). Have yet to watch the last one (it's recorded), but thought they were quite fun. Probably more a nostalgic trip than anything else though.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I disagree with Keith on Hillsboro - I think that the victims deserved (and still do) a proper enquiry and some redress. Just to be clear, I DO think there should be a new enquiry! My worry is that it won't give the answers people want, or that it just won't be enough to satisfy. I know he's not going to say I got everything wrong, but the interview with the coroner I posted earlier, offered a different view, not surrounded by hype, and didn't seem to come from a man with anything but sympathy for families and victims. On the call for the enquiry, I agree with the campaign. My general point is different, but best left alone now probably.

You've not told me anything new there Matthew, I have read most of the lit on the subject, and please do't think I think the families have no cause to complain, I really just wanted to know what would be a satisfactory outcome for them. I can't explain my feelings on this better than I have, but I don't think I'm getting it across very well.

Of course it is, and we'll never know, but it's not like every other English fan outside of Liverpool was a well behaved angel! Snorky, I saw what you wrote, and I have no idea whether it is true or not. I was 10 when Hillsborough happened, and about 5 or 6 for Heysel, so have no first hand experience of any of it. All I would say is that thankfully it's the past, and Liverpool fans, and most other fans are now generally there for the footy, whoever was guilty once upona time.

What Jah said. I honestly didn't want to start a thread leading to hooliganism, although I guess it's inevitable, and it was part of Hillsborough simply because it was suspected, even if it wasn't happening. Heysel was a different kettle of fish, and blame lies at the feet of the Liverpool fans who rushed the wall (as well as a shoddy wall, and posibly lack of crowd conrol). I don't think their actions on that day should be linked in any way to Hillsborough, although I'm sure they were on the mind of some of the police who were there. It is very unfortunate that English clubs were banned from Europe, and a lot of fans of other clubs have a bit of an issue with Liverpool, to this day. However, I would suggest that it just as easily could have happened had it been any English club in that final. Basically hooliganism was rife in this country then, and thank God those days are gone (for the most part)!

First thing I ever really got drunk on was a 2 lt bottle of strongbow, and 4 cans of super T (class). Then it was snakebites for a while (sometimes with black). First pints I ever drank regularly (from about 16) was Guinness, which is all I drank til I was about 22. Always went for JD, and if I'm honest, it's probably because Slash and all my other rock idols drank it. Much like the fact I smoked Marlboro Reds because Ozzy did.

48% chav! Sorry, but I have 2 earrings in my left ear, that is rock! Smoking hash ... WTF?!?!?!? My nan was introduced to me as "nanny Eadie", because it sounded right, and the sofa has always been the setee at our house.

What they all said :)-D

Wrong! The coroner recorded that deaths were caused by crush injuries, and that these injuries would have been sustained by 3:15. In many cases evidence after that time was viewed, and is in the records. This is exactly the problem, the 3:15 thing may well be a contentious issue, but the fact is that a load of fans grab hold of a headline, get it wrong, and make a big thing of it without knowing all the facts. I am no expert either, but I don't wish to jump on a bandwagon. And bugger those who lost people and want to let it go, and quietly remember their dead! Anyone with a hint of compassion would feel this is awful, but I don't think that to "be a red" you need to scream and shout for this justice" when you don't know what the hell it means!!! By the way, how would you personally feel if it had been Chelsea, Arsenal, or Man U fans in there that day? I am sure you'd think it very sad, but would you still be calling for justice, or is that specifically a Liverpool thing? I'm sorry if I am offending anyone here, but frankly I feel really really strongly about this too! I think it's just as sad as anyone else on the planet, but I find the whole thing to be in really poor taste. This should be remembered with dignity, and if the families want the truth they should fight for it (whatever it may be), but this whole "Liverpool family" thing is a fantasy, and if that means I'm not a proper Liverpool supporter, then I'm happy with that! I'll just go back to being sad about a sad event, and watching Liverpool play football, rather than pretending I'm somehow involved in something that happened when I was 10.

I guess I'd agree that the opinions of those of up unaffected are irrelevent. It is for exactly this reason that I find the whole thing a bit vulgar. People who really know nothing about this loss, screaming for justice because they want to be part of something! My initial question was simply what would be justicedns those involved? I certainly didn't intend to start a debate on the rights and wrongs.

Surely everyone likes Daphne!

Good work. I like the fact the A looks a bit like anarchy sign too! :)-D

Do you do clothing repairs by any chance?

I have the excuse of a very pregnant wife for staying in ;-) Can't remember her name, but nice ginger brummie lass got fired. Ben should have been!

Wasn't disagreeing with your point, just trying to be informative like you said.

So, Man U, Arsenal... Interesting!

That Ben is a proper little cnut isn't he!

The OP was with her other half, the guy on Whateley Rd, was early 20s male, and the guy on Bassano St was late 20s (and pretty big actually) male, so this group don't seem to just be toturing the weak so to speak.

Good to see you on this thread SP, and a *lovely sentiment. (tu) * One that I am feeling I need to make very clear I share.