Keef

If you have a look at another thread, there is a nice McDonald's toy that could be just the ticket! ;-)

I know for a fact my wife wouldn't have gone and left the baby at home, in fact she probably still wouldn't now our daughter is 20 months. I think that you should go and take the baby with you, if you really want to go that much.

Jeremy's offering for Sean is my favourite.

Cool!

Am I really that disagreeable? :-$

BB, I get what you're saying-but is there really any need to be leary about it? Equally, I think people correcting people on spelling or grammar, need to have a word with themselves.

Pablogrande, you have just spoken my mind for me.

Okay. sue, you're like a dog with a rubber bone here, you'll get nothing from it. And DJ, as usual, you're trying to show off your debating skills here, but you're just repeating your self. Let it go everyone.

Oh the irony!

Just to add, I agree that talking to a mate would be best, but in my case, I didn't really have anyone who fitted the bill.

I got this one when Mrs Keef was expecting. It's a bit laddish, but it did help me to realise that I wasn't the only one with the fears and reservations I was feeling.

Whilst I agree that these theives are little shits, I think it's somewhat harsh to wish them death by OD.

Apologies, it wasn't meant to come across as dismissive of a loss, I just didn't think the point you were making was really comparrable to this case. Aaaanyway, sorry if I worded it badly. For my part, I feel sorry for the Macanns. I don't think they are guilty of anything sinister, and they must feel terrible about leaving the kids alone, and it must be awful just not knowing what happened to their child. I can't though ever understand the decision to leave the kids alone, and I thought the way they were with the press was a bit weird. I'll bow out now. And Piers, I hope you do make it out, will be good to have a festive pint.

PS. See you for a beer tonight?

Way to twist things round there Piers. You tried to use their deaths to make a point, which I think is irrelevant in this case. I don't think that it was me who was being disrespectful. I didn't miss your point at all, and I more or less agree with it as it happens. So don't play the drama queen and try to make me out as Mr Nasty.

I agree, but I just think it works both ways. And as Huguenot said, they did court this press, sometimes against advise.

I'm with Huguenot on tip one. And DJKQ, you're quite right that leaving a child alone is not the same thing as kidnapping a child, but it certainly didn't bloody help did it. Mockney, your examples have nothing to do with an adult placing a child in danger, so they're irrelevant IMO.

What Sean said!

You're spot on, I'm sure not little kids would love playing with this toy. But who would buy it when there is so much available, that doesn't feature the golden arches.

One thing I will say, is that I'm shocked at the amount of people on here saying that "when hubby is away, I don't have to make a proper meal". I do at least half of the family cooking at home, and if I don't cook, Mrs Keef will sometimes take care of herself & Keefette, whilst I look after myself (I eat meat, Mrs Keef doesn't). I certainly have never expected to come home and have a "proper" dinner on the table for me. Some of you women seem to have 1950s husbands, like my dad, to be honest. I am not perfect, but then, nobody is.

LOL >:D

When I saw them in about 2004, he was terrible, and had to go off stage several times for rests. The 2 times I've seen them since then though, he has been fine.

Ha ha, I like that. We've not done the happy meal thing yet (she's only 20 months), but we've been out a couple of times, and gone in to a maccas to get food (for me), and given the little one a few chips or whatever. Truth be known, I don't think there is any real harm in doing it as a treat once in a while. Just not on a weekly basis. The toy thing is shocking though!

Just this morning at work, we've been sent the new London Child Protection Procedures, 4th Edition (Dec 2010). 5.26 Left alone 5.26.1 The law is not clear because it does not state an age when children can be left alone. However, parents can be prosecuted for wilful neglect if they leave a child unsupervised ?in a manner likely to cause unnecessary suffering or injury to health? (Children and Young Persons Act, 1933). 5.26.2 Nor does the law state an age when young people can baby-sit. However, where a baby-sitter is under the age of 16 years, parents remain legally responsible to ensure that their child comes to no harm. 5.26.3 This is, in part, in recognition that all children are different and demonstrate different levels of maturity and responsibility. 5.26.4 In any situation where a child is left alone, consideration should be given to the context (e.g. the ages, needs and maturity of the children, the length of time involved, the frequency of such incidents, the safety of the location and any other relevant factors). Having taken into account the circumstances above, the key question to ask is was the child left to their own fate? You can find the full CP document here, but it's a long old document!

Have had 2 offers of free tickets, but unfortunately can't make it this year. Have seen them 3 times and it always makes me feel like christmas has arrived.